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This is prob a bad idea but......
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Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#1 - 2014-05-17 20:38:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Nering
This is prob a bad idea but...... i feel that the wh forums is a place of peace and understanding where we all work together to have the most fun! ..ya w/e
so im messing around in lower class space missing dreds already and im trying to make the lower class version of a dred.......otherwise known as a battleship. Lol

soooo the reason we all decided not to use battleships in w-space was that a bling'd out proteus has about the same dps, is faster, and less mass, higher resist, and modular ...sooo why the **** would bring a battleship?

well......its cheaper. I made rough draft hereShocked
[Dominix, shield domi]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800

Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Dual 650mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

Garde II x5


pretty standard shield domi i think. its shield, ref repping, about 1100 dps. is ezzzz on cap, and can overheat for days and self reps off 1500 dps no overheat and when i overheat both reps we are approaching 2000 dps. i think this can be flown a lot like we fly dreds. it needs to take care of itself because everyone else is prob armor and it can turn the tide with a lot of dps, and shouldn't move much because it prob will be swapping drones.

i bricked up a domi for armor that will need to receive reps and that one was... 900 something dps.

idk am i being stupid being a shield ship to an armor gang? or is this kinda a good idea in theory.

or will we just have to settle this like men at the sun?Cool

lets also pretend that im not bringing this to a t3 fight 20 vs 20. that would be stupid....right?

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Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-05-17 23:13:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahost Gceo
There's a couple reasons I could list as to why battleships (save Armageddon and Bhaalgorn) are not used.

In the case of the Domi:
1. Protei generally have more EHP and have bonuses to point range. Great for small and large scale conflicts. Battleships do not.
2. Mass, T3s don't stress hole mass. Battleships will.
3. T3s have smaller sig radii, so when you do tackle people in sites Sleepers don't do as much damage to them. Being harder to hit is a good thing. That Domi will die in a horrible fire and quickly.

The only reason you see Armageddons and Bhaalgorns is because those ships will destroy an enemy fleet's DPS, ECM, Logi, and caps. They are a gigantic force multipler. Domis are not.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#3 - 2014-05-18 04:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Nering
yeaaahhhhh i have been fitting a variety of options. this idea has been scrapped.

The maelstrom was able to rep 4k dps overheated which was cool. but uh... yeah there are just better options out there. rip

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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#4 - 2014-05-18 11:16:36 UTC
Get a GOLEM

Spaceprincess

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Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-05-18 12:45:06 UTC
the only argument that is valid is the price. proteus are much more expensive. however, one of the good things about wh space is that the price doesnt really matter. we make plenty of isk. we can affort to loose bling proteus every few days (ouch, skill points).
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#6 - 2014-05-18 14:09:11 UTC
Main reasons BS's aren't used in lower WH's outside home systems, at least for us, is raw maths.

You get,more or less, 20 WH BS jumps without propmods on a fresh WH, so that's 10 BS max, assuming you'd like to go home. If it's a WH you didn't open yourself, you can only guarantee 5 jumps each way through while it's showing the full mass message. If you're fighting on said WH you have to bring less or a random jump out or two will start trapping people behind. Propmods and other support ships mess with this even more.

In general, if we didn't open the WH, we keep it to 3 or less BS's if we're running them.


WTB: Mass reduction module. Battleships are fun :(
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#7 - 2014-05-20 12:53:45 UTC
BayneNothos wrote:
Main reasons BS's aren't used in lower WH's outside home systems, at least for us, is raw maths.

You get,more or less, 20 WH BS jumps without propmods on a fresh WH, so that's 10 BS max, assuming you'd like to go home. If it's a WH you didn't open yourself, you can only guarantee 5 jumps each way through while it's showing the full mass message. If you're fighting on said WH you have to bring less or a random jump out or two will start trapping people behind. Propmods and other support ships mess with this even more.

In general, if we didn't open the WH, we keep it to 3 or less BS's if we're running them.


WTB: Mass reduction module. Battleships are fun :(



Nestor.
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#8 - 2014-05-21 00:05:46 UTC
RcTamiya Leontis wrote:

Nestor.


...is 60% the mass of a normal BS, so you need to run at least 3 to get an extra BS through and home. Would be fine if you're running a lot of other smaller stuff though.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#9 - 2014-05-21 00:17:16 UTC
RcTamiya Leontis wrote:
BayneNothos wrote:
Main reasons BS's aren't used in lower WH's outside home systems, at least for us, is raw maths.

You get,more or less, 20 WH BS jumps without propmods on a fresh WH, so that's 10 BS max, assuming you'd like to go home. If it's a WH you didn't open yourself, you can only guarantee 5 jumps each way through while it's showing the full mass message. If you're fighting on said WH you have to bring less or a random jump out or two will start trapping people behind. Propmods and other support ships mess with this even more.

In general, if we didn't open the WH, we keep it to 3 or less BS's if we're running them.


WTB: Mass reduction module. Battleships are fun :(



Nestor.



Yes please,

Everyone should run more sites in Nestors, don't forget the nestors special ability of being immune to combat probes. So you don't have to warp out when you see them on D.

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RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#10 - 2014-05-21 10:27:04 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
RcTamiya Leontis wrote:
BayneNothos wrote:
Main reasons BS's aren't used in lower WH's outside home systems, at least for us, is raw maths.

You get,more or less, 20 WH BS jumps without propmods on a fresh WH, so that's 10 BS max, assuming you'd like to go home. If it's a WH you didn't open yourself, you can only guarantee 5 jumps each way through while it's showing the full mass message. If you're fighting on said WH you have to bring less or a random jump out or two will start trapping people behind. Propmods and other support ships mess with this even more.

In general, if we didn't open the WH, we keep it to 3 or less BS's if we're running them.


WTB: Mass reduction module. Battleships are fun :(



Nestor.



Yes please,

Everyone should run more sites in Nestors, don't forget the nestors special ability of being immune to combat probes. So you don't have to warp out when you see them on D.



As far as i know he talked about PvP and in fact the Nester is our only BS, useable for pvp without ******* the mass up :/
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2014-05-21 10:48:48 UTC
The real *BS are superior*-argument are BS-sized mods, like neuts and smartbombs. With the Domi being a droneboat, you can arrange for your BS to float away from your own drones/sentries and make legit use of the SB(s). Proteus pilots across the globe start crying when they're heavy neuted. Some Proteus pack a CB, most don't. So cycling your neuts twice will cause them considerable issues. The same applies to an extent to their logichain once you damped them into (neut)range.

Especially as the Domi only gains some mediocre 300 dps or such with those guns (and those will very likely not apply any damage to a cruiser without a good tracking bonus), you'd almost certainly be better off running that dominix with a couple heavy neuts, mabye a large SB and - if guns at all - frigate- or cruisersized weaponry. You should have the PG/CPU to fit those anyways ;)