Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Drone damage stays roughly the same, they buff the base damage to compensate, ofc there are tweaks here and there (warden buffed slightly, garde nerfed).

The mackh can get away with none to be fair, its around cruiser speed right out the box so in truth you only need the implants to get crazy speed out of it.

Well my level 3 raven and my harpy mega warp faster than assault frigs

Most likely, the only reason I am using the raven is due to both lack of skills and wanting a golem for level 4s eventually.

There is no overkill, just "Open fire!" and "I need to reload!".

Joke aside, you have a specific aim when you do L3s, and trying to get the best means for the task... Seems reasonable.

I run L3s in a Talos now, just because it's more fun.
Priority shift I suppose, drones and missiles don't have the same effect on me.

I strongly disagree with you stoicfaux, your demonstration is only based on assumptions .You have removed the parameters from your calculations who would have proved otherwise .
-Comparing two different prop mod
-No cost comparison between the two fits
-you took for granted than a 3 warp speed rigs Machariel would be viable
-You didn't took Ewar immunity as a factor .
-Same mission time for the two hulls

Please if you want to prove your point give us a machariel fit to compare with , you 'll soon realize the issues

-Stoicfaux was comparing mission time between a Mach and a Vargur(Mjd) to prove is point ,but anyway you'll swap between prop mods depending on the mission even with a 1 Mn Mjd reload time it s more often best to go with a Mwd .
-A Machariel with a Gist XL + a faction Mwd is over 2 B , a marauder is 1B7 for twice the tank as it needs only a Large shield booster and as 30 K more ehp with bastion mode.
-He did is maths with 3 warpspeed rigs ...
-Well yes we are comparing a mach to a vargur operating time and isk/hour ratio and yes Ewar can have a pretty big importance in operating time .
-A lot to discuss there to make it short with a GistX Xlarge Sb running + 2 hardener you have only have 3mn32s before cap depletion and only enought cargo for 16 capbooster 800 + 5000 Large ammo (no mtu),pretty short for long running missions who are often quite profitable lp/isk wise.

To finish it's a bit easy to say threw 3 warpspeed rigs to the mach and done ,especially depending the fit u've Cpu issues who need a + 5 % cpu implants who guess what goes into the + 10 % warpspeed implant he tooks for granted .No offense it's not that easy ...

Good points and valid criticisms. My general frame of mind is that improved warp speed can improve level 4 running efficiency. I whitewashed/assumed many things in order to see if, all else being equal/unchanged, what potential impact would improving warp speed have. The numbers showed that warp speed could have a non-trivial impact on efficiency, so the trick as you pointed out, is how to make it work, (if it is possible/practical.)

Here's what I'm think in the context of level 4s in Minmatar space.
Guns: 918 DPS with 4km + 61km range. 0.06401 tracking. 1013 with two 5% damage implants. Berserkers add another 206 paper DPS.
Tank is 494 against Angels for 4m55s.
Warp speed is 5.1 AU/s with the rigs and a 10% warp speed implant. (It looks like the failheap EFT files didn't include the fact that warp speed rigs will be stacking penalized in the summer. *grumble*)
Speed: 1505 m/s with the MWD.
CPU is a bit tight, with 707.25 used out of 707.33.
EFT says the price is ~1.4B isk.

[Machariel, Summer Shield - Warp]
Co-Processor II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
Auto Targeting System I

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I

Berserker II x4
Hobgoblin II x5

So now i see your point ,but honnestly this fit is way too much borderline for a few reasons:
-53 s all modules on ,only cargo for 16 cap booster 800 + 5000 large ammo meaning 6 capbooster reload
-Don't even think about accepting missions except angels one ,you won't have the tank especially on em/therm resistance meaning no scarlet for u ^^
-with your capacitor issue ,you ll probably have to slowboat a few times to save charges ,hurting your operation time even more .
-As you 'll have to refuse several missions (RNG is RNG) there is a good chance to destroy your agent standing .

To finish i do agree with you warpspeed isn't as bad as i thought but id prefer a Vargur for the ease of use (without limiting myself to angels ) and keep the possibility to plug an ascendancy set 4.05 au/s :) i think your current fit need a crystal one to be viable:)

Told you a battleship could do it