Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Exactly, you nerf the ship down then let people rig / mod them as they seem fit......strangely like 99.9% of the rest of the ships are in this game.

Because they have more EHP and travel faster than a normal freighter, both of which improve survival chances by a fair amount. They also don't sucker you into filling up on too much valuables, which is a bonus since it lets those main traits work their magic.


Actually, when I run the numbers (from the OP, which curiously enough don't always agree with EFT or Pyfa), it's not quite as bad as feared.

Can you not just give freighters a sub-system slot with the option between 3 systems based around Cargo, Agility and Tank?

That way we can have the choice to fit how we see fit without having to rip out 2 T2 rigs or buy a whole new freighter!

fit t1 rigs then.

I would still rather not have to waste hundreds of millions on rigs every time I need to refit for a slightly different role. You don't rip out the rigs on your dreadnoughts every time you have to increase range, damage or tank so why should freighter pilots have to?

The EvE economy just got a lot less efficient.

This may be a good thing.

Freighter pilots just got an enormous buff.

Slower aligns and smaller holds will require more money per jump and more trips to move the same amount of stuff.

Jita got double nerfed. (first with the scrap metal nerf/ compressed ore buff and now with the freighter nerf.)

Moving stuff around is therefore more expense and that makes the economy less efficient.

I wonder if this is a stealth attempt to break up the single central hub on the Chinese server.

Ever thought about the fact that the sov upgrades might be designed to not fit into a JF?

I'm going to side on the "what the ****" side of this argument. You could have just made packaged capitals unhaulable rather then nerfing freighters/JF down to where the whole rig announcement is almost useless. Yes, overall they got a 'bonus', but a few % AFTER they apply the new rigs isn't a bonus, it's a slap in the face to those who pilot these ships.

Disapprove =/

Well **** balancing I guess.

Reducing the cargo capacity had nothing to do with hauling capitals, it had everything to do with balance.

Now instead of getting cargo capacity and tank, you get to choose which one you want more at a sacrifice to the other. Y'know...like fit a ship for a purpose.

FTFY.

Freighter was already too vulnerable, now it's even more vulnerable, hauls less, and costs another freighter to make it just a bit less terrible and still a lot worse than it were. Every time Fozzie touches industry, this happens. I've been unsubbed for months after he went bull-in-the-china-shop over mining, now that I subbed back to look at Kronos, it turns out I stepped into some big pile of Fozzie again.

No wonder those changes announcement was withheld till two weeks before release, because that is seriously atrocious. At least rebalance of deep space transport ships were useless - in a sense that those ships weren't cost-efficient anyway, so nobody cared about them, but freighters are different story, they have no alternatives, and now we don't have freighters either, because hair-thin line of imaginary risk which prevented people from ganking freighters by crimeflag cooldown just went razorblade-thin. If somebody pulls down his pants and drops another Fozzie on it, in form of tiniest gankship buff, and poof, you lose $60 and you have absolutely nothing you could've done about it,except maybe making 10 runs in a tanked orca with even worse agility than current freighters (and by freighters I mean freighter, because pretty much everything but Obelisk is a gank-on-sight), which would've taken about 2 forevers and 1 ever of your time, depriving you from any chance to finish hauling before seeing your grandchildren.

I'd say it's another milking scheme to trick people into making orca alts, as after this change orca will remain the only hauler not covered in Fozzie, but since orca rebalance is on the table, and it's probably lets-hit-the-dead-dog-called-mining-again-by-nerfing-retriever-and-mack-to-useless Fozzie is doing it, I'd say the orca will be hit so hard that we'll be left with no haulers - hisec nerf will be completed, and the only trade routes left will be those of sov null, where everyone is blue to each other and no unreported gankers within 15 systems are present.

Well, Fozzie happens.