Player Features and Ideas Discussion

until NPC corps stop being an integral part of some playstyles in EVE, i cannot support this change.

any high sec miner with half a brain [somewhat of an oxymoron, i know] will tell you that the npc corp is the most sensible place for him and his orca to be.

for certain play styles this is 100% true.

Nope. Spammers are an issue but there are other reasons to post on an NPC corp alt. For example, you might just like the individual playstyle or want to avoid wardecs, and then you're discriminating against players because of how they play the game. Also, given the nature of these forums an NPC alt can help avoid bounties, in-game harassment, and wardecs against your corp because someone's feelings got hurt.

As suggested earlier creating threads on the Character Bazaar should definitely be limited to NPC players. I suspect a lot of the time people are unaware of that rule and it just creates unnecessary confusion & workload for the ISDs. It might also alert people when accounts are in the process of being hacked/liquidated if they have to drop corp to post there. I spotted a couple of friends accounts being hacked only because they quit corp with no warning and listed their characters, so was able to report the characters before they sold.

I'm not sure CAOD is a good example of a success story in terms of removing NPC alt posting ability improving the forums. At the time all it did was drive massive numbers onto Kugu and SHC/FHC, and in all honesty I think overall forum traffic has been dimished here since. It drove away a lot of the good posters along with the bad. The content might be improved in CAOD now, but no discussions of relevance take place there anymore. A lot of 'this is now a WiDot thread' spam for months destroyed CAOD more effectively than the badposting NPC alts, and despite being in targetable alliances there was no real consequence for the people who did that other than cementing their reputation as shitposters.

Bear in mind how many corps and alliances have strict posting policies forcing people to use alts - if they are alt posting, it's not always because they are masking their identity out of choice. The trolls you are targeting are the most likely to just bypass this mechanic because they are probably using disposable alts anyway. I seem to remember Pimperian or w/e just setting up an alliance to get around the new CAOD ruling. Those least likely to want to leave NPC corps (maybe they have friends there - it's not as unsociable as everyone claims), newer players, or people just inbetween corps would most likely be hurt by implementing this. Forcing people into 1-man or even small corps with their alts just to post might create more problems. Either they'll use alts rather than mains, and then don't give a damn what they say because it doesn't tie back to them. Or they create badposting corps and alliances to bypass retribution where the players don't even log in. In terms of getting players out of NPC corps and into bigger groups, forcing anyone into a 1 man corp actually restricts their interraction so severely it might accelerate people cycling out of game.

+1 for being able to block whole corps/alliances, and for being able to create exceptions. Things might be a lot less grrr-tinfoil if people could just block the whole of goonswarm - although I suspect they enjoy their outrage too much for that.

How about you stop lying and misrepresenting what I'm saying, and I can stop correcting your mendacity? That sounds like a better idea to me.

Heh well said on Kugu and FHC, I used to want to gouge my eyes out trying to keep up with 90 pages of drivel a day. I quite like the Eve-O forums though, always have. It's a diverse mix and sometimes the perspective of long term NPC players is interesting. I've just been semi active for months in an NPC corp and just logging in for five minutes and watching corp chat was amusing, not just for the hilariously silly discussions that take place. I forgot they do have a few vocal people who are actually long term players and fairly sociable, in some ways I can see some parts of being there as attractive.

If there is a real problem with these particular posters maybe the forum regulars need to be a bit more proactive reporting derailing posts asap. Actually a status between ISD and some of the forum regulars who contribute might be a good thing - if they report a post it gets prioritised? I know a few have been quite annoyed with some of the trolling recently and reporting certain people persistently.

Perhaps it's worth considering broader penalties for badposting too. If a player is persistently moderated, they get an insta ban (don't look at me like that ISDs, I'll behave) for a certain period. If a lot of players from specific corps do, the corp is, and the alliance and so on. I'm not talking perma bans, just a week/month gag or whatever. Maybe a stickied list announcing player gags (that would be hilarious) and linking the offending post so people don't keep repeating.

There probably should be a sticky somewhere on GD about forum etiquette. This was the first forum I ever interracted in and it is like learning a new language in some ways, sometimes you do misstep and derail or cause gross offence unintentionally (actually I found GD too hostile initially so spent years on sub-forums and just read this one).


Is that Trippia? :P First the multi quoting, now the liar liar, desire to correct AND big words. Can't be coincidence.

Anyway, I'm not opposed to your suggestion and I think it's an interesting discussion which should probably be open more or less permenantly in some way. It boils down to - how can CCP & the playerbase create and promote an environment where people can chat, argue, banter and exchange ideas constructively.

And yet there isn't a single justifiable reason for any of these restrictions. Which actually demonstrates why restricting posting abilities in the greater forums from any specific group is a bad idea. One persons poor understanding of a play decision or their "feelings" about certain players in no way provides any sort of good reasoning for restricting access to the Devs or community.

To sell a character on the character bazaar, you must first be in an npc corporation. Otherwise, the thread is closed and we tell you why it was closed. If people could only post there with a character already in an npc corporation, it saves a step in the process and cuts down on threads that need to be closed. We don't like closing threads, but it's the rules.

I believe this proposal to be wrong but I have trouble putting my finger on exactly where. Maybe the closest thing is related to:



This brings the question: are you entitled to retaliate against anyone you don't like?

Please don't start with choices and consequences mantra. There are lots of actions in EVE universe which bear no consequences worth talking about. Some because of technical limitations, some because it's practically unfeasible (So, of course I can wardec CFC because I don't like this thread, right? I can imagine all you guys laughing your asses off. Now, THAT's a consequence...).

If the quality of posts/threads is an actual problem either TOS/EULA should be updated or you should take a cup of HTFU all vets tend to offer anyone else around.



This pretty much sums it. No offense, whole my post is with no ill will however from where I stand it looks like if Goons had too much of their own medicine.

To be a little bit on constructive side I think Malcanis' proposal with personal ignore lists is quite sensible. Another idea which I would accept (if it's not already proposed or implemented, I haven't checked) is to restrict some forums for trial accounts.

ITT: Renter misses the point & posts random stuff.