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Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2014-05-17 19:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
Saisin wrote:
You are misrepresenting whati I am lobbying for for the sake of your own lobbying and justifications to keep a comfortable status quo.

What you are lobbying for is to "fix" a problem that in CCPs eyes DOES NOT EXIST. The ESSs are being stolen from presently, apparently by people smarter, more able to adapt to change, and willing to put more effort into it, than you. CCP changed the ESS to not be a burglar alarm for WHs, they could have easily also changed it to not be placeble in anoms as well, still can too, but they didn't. Something, something, emergent gameplay, learn to addapt. Stop whining that your precious uncatchable solo interceptor can't steal from an ESS in an anom and whining to CCP to "fix" it because it isn't fair that I can't steal from Goons GRR!

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#102 - 2014-05-17 23:02:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Saisin
You can repeat your mantra as much as you want, I am still lobbying for seeing the ESS be what Game design intended it to be: a source of ISK that is not defended by NPCs but by players, in exchange for the extra benefits they provide.

I am not denying that there is already some players vs player engagements around them, nor am I particularly fond of the interceptors role in this at the moment..
I would be happy to get statistics insight from CCP on what is going on around ESS, and certainly my position is directly linked to my own experience, whatever some prickly egos judge it to be.

I am also still looking to hear from the goons engaged in this thread about the overwhelming advantages ESS raiders have that would require this extra layer of NPCs protection that was not intended in the design.
I gave you a clear picture of the defenders already existing advantages...

I am not a veteran nor an elite PvPer. I am just an average joe that is attracted by this universe's sandbox in my own ways,, playing solo and making a living in New Eden, without any sort of SRP or master telling me where to fight or not fight, and I am not going to be cowed shut by scornful and/or baseless statements made to diminish my views.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#103 - 2014-05-18 01:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Saisin wrote:
You can repeat your mantra as much as you want, I am still lobbying for seeing the ESS be what Game design intended it to be: a source of ISK that is not defended by NPCs but by players, in exchange for the extra benefits they provide.

Hey buddy!

Could you go back and re-visit the post where you completely avoided the point that most things in Eve are currently working in a way other than what CCP "intended" - and that this is very much the core to the sandbox model?

I'm just concerned you're not spreading your gospel of righteousnous far enough and should instead be posting threads asking for 80% incursion nerfs and the rest of it.

I mean, and this can't be the case, right? - if you're just looking at this one issue and ignoring the rest of the game .. why it's almost like you're posting from a self interested position and are ignoring neutral feedback.
Saisin wrote:
I am not going to be cowed shut by scornful and/or baseless statements made to diminish my views

I wouldn't worry about that, you would need a cogent argument for anyone to worry about finding ways to stop you expressing it. We're very happy to bump this thread to show your argument off for all to see.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#104 - 2014-05-18 01:06:25 UTC
"but I want to steal completely risk free, I wanna I wanna I wanna!!"

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2014-05-18 02:25:58 UTC
Saisin wrote:
You can repeat your mantra as much as you want, I am still lobbying for seeing the ESS be what Game design intended it to be:

Then Jetcan mining, armor brawling ships used as shield kiting ships, and a whole host of other things that aren't used as game design intended, should really get your goat. You aren't harping on about them because CCP said, "Meh, it's okay we'll allow it."

Guess what? CCP said, "Meh, it's okay we'll allow it." When things are used in ways CCP didn't intend and break "game design," like the ESS as a worm hole burglar alarm, CCP is quick to change it. When are you going to get that through your thick skull? You are railing against how things are used, and failing to embrace the creative use of the tools CCP is giving us in this 'sandbox' game.

"They [players] did what?" has two connotations at CCP. One is:

"That's neat, I never thought of that." the other is;

"We better figure out a way that they can't do that any more." Guess which one CCP has gone with in regards to ESSs in anomalies. HINT: It isn't "We better figure out a way that they can't do that any more."

You can hold firm to your views all you want, but if your views on how the game should be played, differ on how CCP lets players play the game, don't come whine and cry on GD about how CCP ought to do. It is their game, they are the ones who get to decide how players ought to do, and brother, right now, your ought to do doesn't match CCPs let them do.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#106 - 2014-05-18 13:15:22 UTC
I know you'll avoid these questions completely, but:

Where exactly does it say that an ESS had to be used a certain way? I'm asking for specific "you can't put it there" posts/statements.

Since you are merely a patron of a CCP product, who the hell are you to say that anything in the game, has to be used a certain way?

I agree with Khanh'rhh. You sound like, (in a Stewie Griffin voice) "Waah! Waah! They won't let me do what I want the way I want. Waah! Waah!"

Get over it and move on.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#107 - 2014-05-18 13:16:45 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:

Where exactly does it say that an ESS had to be used a certain way? I'm asking for specific "you can't put it there" posts/statements.


In the attributes where it says:

May be anchored in Wormhole Space: 0

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#108 - 2014-05-18 13:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Thalen Draganos
A follow up question:

Do you know why the only replies you are getting in here are from people who know it isn't a problem?
It's because no one else sees this as a problem.

Oh and we really love messing with people like you. tehehe
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#109 - 2014-05-18 13:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Thalen Draganos
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Thalen Draganos wrote:

Where exactly does it say that an ESS had to be used a certain way? I'm asking for specific "you can't put it there" posts/statements.


In the attributes where it says:

May be anchored in Wormhole Space: 0


Ummm we aren't talking about worm hole space placement really.

Smartalec. lol
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#110 - 2014-05-18 13:25:19 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:


Ummm we aren't talking about worm hole space placement really.


Why not? It was the single most useful place for them outside of their intended use.

They were a great idea the way they operated before they were "fixed", but that way of using them was apparently too fabulous to allow.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#111 - 2014-05-18 13:27:35 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Thalen Draganos wrote:


Ummm we aren't talking about worm hole space placement really.


Why not? It was the single most useful place for them outside of their intended use.

They were a great idea the way they operated before they were "fixed", but that way of using them was apparently too fabulous to allow.

Because that's not what the OP is talking about? If you have an alternate argument, and you haven't already, start a separate thread.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#112 - 2014-05-18 13:31:45 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:

Because that's not what the OP is talking about? If you have an alternate argument, and you haven't already, start a separate thread.


Yeah, but it is though. The very fundimental point of his argument is where the thing is allowed to be placed, and why it is or is not allowed to be placed somewhere and whether that generates content.

My comments are entirely within the OP's discussion parameters.

Please do not attempt dictate to me which threads I may or may not comment in, thank you.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#113 - 2014-05-18 13:46:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Thalen Draganos wrote:

Because that's not what the OP is talking about? If you have an alternate argument, and you haven't already, start a separate thread.


Yeah, but it is though. The very fundimental point of his argument is where the thing is allowed to be placed, and why it is or is not allowed to be placed somewhere and whether that generates content.

My comments are entirely within the OP's discussion parameters.

Please do not attempt dictate to me which threads I may or may not comment in, thank you.

First of all, I'm not dictating anything.
Second, the OP is talking about his views on placing an ESS in an anomaly. He doesn't want that to be allowed. So, that is completely different from what you are talking about.
Thirdly, what exactly are you going to do about what I tell you to do or not to do? I'm just curious. Are you going to add a bounty to me or something? Are you going to declare war on Goons for it? Are you going to hire some mercs to find me in the systems I go to? Just shush. Don't come here with your anger about CCP removing ESS from wormholes. That has nothing to do with what's going on here and you are trying to hijack some ones thread to start your own argument. Shoo little one. Go play with your friends before you have to go inside to wash up for dinner.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#114 - 2014-05-18 13:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Thalen Draganos wrote:

Empty poast


You really like to read anything you like and regurgitate it into troll food dont you?

Seriously.

You should try going to some of those seminars your guys hold on not being terrible

Because you seriously need to buck up your forum replies, me laddo, you are letting your side down

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#115 - 2014-05-18 13:51:49 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:
Second, the OP is talking about his views on placing an ESS in an anomaly. He doesn't want that to be allowed. So, that is completely different from what you are talking about.


Except the two are related because CCP has come along and changed one of the two uses. This indicates that they're ok with the other use, or at least they're nowhere near as worried about it. Either way it has relevance to this conversation.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#116 - 2014-05-18 13:54:05 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Thalen Draganos wrote:

Empty poast


You really like to read anything you like and regurgitate it into troll food dont you?

Seriously.

You should try going to some of those seminars your guys hold on not being terrible

Because you seriously need to buck up your forum replies, me laddo, you are letting your side down

And there it is. The usual crutch for every witless oaf on forums that can't come up with anything.
So, are you going to say anything useful about my reply or just try to trash it some more. lol
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2014-05-18 13:55:14 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Thalen Draganos wrote:
Second, the OP is talking about his views on placing an ESS in an anomaly. He doesn't want that to be allowed. So, that is completely different from what you are talking about.


Except the two are related because CCP has come along and changed one of the two uses. This indicates that they're ok with the other use, or at least they're nowhere near as worried about it. Either way it has relevance to this conversation.

If you say so. lol
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#118 - 2014-05-18 13:57:26 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:

And there it is. The usual crutch for every witless oaf on forums that can't come up with anything.
So, are you going to say anything useful about my reply or just try to trash it some more. lol


I dont need to.

I made my comments on the OP, you said they were not relevant and I told you were wrong and why, at which point you had a shitfit.

So, as I said, do yourself a favour and try replying in a way worthy of that Alliance tag you carry, ok?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-05-18 14:04:18 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Thalen Draganos wrote:

And there it is. The usual crutch for every witless oaf on forums that can't come up with anything.
So, are you going to say anything useful about my reply or just try to trash it some more. lol


I dont need to.

I made my comments on the OP, you said they were not relevant and I told you were wrong and why, at which point you had a shitfit.

So, as I said, do yourself a favour and try replying in a way worthy of that Alliance tag you carry, ok?

That wasn't a "shitfit." It's amazing what can be read in to with text these days.
The OP was talking about the placing of ESS in an anomaly. Plain and simple.
If you want to go on and sperg about CCP taking away your your ability to use them in wormholes then go ahead. I'll just sit, eat popcorn and laugh.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#120 - 2014-05-18 14:08:09 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:
It's amazing what can be read in to with text these days.

Uh huh

You dont have anything, so you project your own inabilities and insecurties onto my poasts.

Bravo, at least you got past the whole "Basicas of Poasting 101" class.

So, you going to continue to derail or do you have something to actually add?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann