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How do we go about fixing some of the problems that the CSM faces and game back voters.




thoughts welcome, trolls ignored

I don't see a problem. People who give a **** vote and people who don't care don't vote. The position simply isn't important enough for most to care, since they're not in a position to force CCP to do specific changes to the game. A problem would be if the people who got elected were in general terrible and bad at fulfilling the purpose the CSM was designed for, but there is no real indication of that happening. We got a wide variety of people representing a wide variety of specializations and play styles.

Exactly...

They have no power to do a bloody thing...

Complete waste of time...

It amuses me no end that the people who claim that the CSM is "useless" would be the first and loudest to complain if the CSM actually were able to 'force' CCP to do things.

I mean take a moment to think through what would happen if the CSM actually could do that.


Yeah


Yep, absolutely.


That too.


Exactly: the CFC would immediately do that.


And that.

To me, the CSM is useful to CCP, but most players don't know and/or can't see how the CSM is useful to them.

When something doesn't appear to be useful (no matter how useful it actually is), it tends to end up with a low priority.

Voter turn-out just reflects that.

I think the better way to pick a CSM would be for CCP to simply select players. That way they could obtain representation from section of the player base that have knowledge of the areas that CCP will be focussing on in the near future.

CSM has always been useless so why does it matter?

The more worrying aspect is that in my humble opinion CSM 8 was the best CSM we have had to date in terms of quality of members, blogs, updates, feedback, communication.. you name it, they bettered all previous CSM before them in every department.

Yet none of this has mattered and this year turn out is down by quite a margin.

I actually believe this year turn out is lower then some other previous years and not just CSM 8 but I could be wrong there.

One has to wonder if maybe the CSM in its current guise has run its course as after all that has been accomplished in the last year has had no effect, if anything it appears to have put voters off then surely a change of some sort is needed.

That's one of the poorest blog articles I've ever read. Not in terms of content, I've seen worse, but you need to sort your formatting out and get someone to proofread if necessary before you publish it. Example:

Problem is you're explicitly critiquing, amongst other things, the visibility and communication skills of the CSM whilst displaying very poor skills yourself. Not sure if you noticed a former CSM almost immediately reply to your thread, which kind of contradicts your assertion that




Incoherent, poorly formatted rambling on a blog and having run for election and failed to be elected doesn't give you have any particular insight into the process. I'd have more respect for your graduate status if you didn't make remarks like this



Your dismissive attitude towards the people who do actually engage on Assembly Hall matters as

Actually you mentioned trolls several times in your article and in the OP here, which suggests to me you are either not very used to forum interraction or unable to accept criticism. You can keep posting here trying to redirect attention to the numbers, but what you are actually doing is decreasing your chance of ever being elected with every word.

Apathy & the belief that the CSM does nothing.



You can't force people to keep up to date on the information that will prevent them from being apathetic.