Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think its a horrible change. I was all looking forward to being able to haul 500k in my jf. To compensate for the 50% increase in isotopes ...and well to haul ihub upgrades without needed a titan.

Now instead i will be forced to have rigs just to haul what i was hauling so increased cost to ship, increased cost to fuel.

Once again industrialist/miners get crapped on. Just when I thought things were looking up. Oh well.

Very disappointed with these changes. They amount to nothing more than a giant freighter nerf. It's not even like freighters were overpowered before. They're incredibly easy to gank as it is, they don't award anything for being at the keyboard vs afk piloting, and they already were expensive.

If you wanted to add "customization," then you should have just added a single low slot. That way the pilot could have chosen a nanofiber for quicker aligns, reinforced bulkhead for safer afk travel, a damage control for at-the-keys higher active tank, expanded cargohold for cargo room, etc. That's all the customization you needed. Further "customization" could come from pilot implants.

But the changes that you have suggested--and are likely already locked in--are just an asinine nerf to a ship line that didn't need it. Adding tremendous cost to get what we already have, in an already expensive ship, doesn't make any sense. There's FAR better ways you could have gone about freighter customization without the huge nerf you're pushing here. Hell, you could have just introduced a "T3 freighter" that would have customization options.

This nerf though, no. Terrible. Bad.

-1 CCP

The intention of the changes are to give freighters and ostensibly JFs more flexibility, I'll only speak for freighters though.

In the case of freighters the rigs are for giving flexibility, not necessarily buffs if I'm understanding CCP's intentions correctly. However the reduction in base cargo, has such a wide impact that it effectively negates any flexibility that can come from rigs, the reasoning being:

• Industry deals with materials that take up a lot of m3
• These minerals take up so much m3 that freighters have to move them.
• Nerfing the base cargo m3 means before rigs, less can be held.
• Therefore freighters have to do more hauls to transport these large loads
• Additional loads means that any increases possible to align or warp speed will not yield a net time saving due to the time it takes to do these additional jumps
• So freighters will have to use cargo rigs in order to negate the above.
• This means the other rigs are useless. And so there is no flexibility, you have to use cargo rigs.

If we assume that most sensible freighter pilots carrry <1bil ISK in their cargo hold, in the event where you're not carrying high volume m3, the EHP reduction/redistribution still serves to make the freighter more gankable than they were before, given the self defeating rig situation as described above, it wouldn't make as much functional sense to go with the HP rigs. Another use of a freighter is to reliably move high value cargo rather than just big cargo, so the HP nerf is a valid concern here. Ultimately as things are it's very difficult to avoid a freighter ganking, and relies on the gankers making a mistake rather than anything you can do on your end to escape or with the incoming changes, mitigate risk.

It's worth bringing up while we're talking about freighters another issue with them though. As someone who likes to gank things.. a lot. It seems that in the case of freighters, it's just too easy mainly due to the fact that you can reliably interdict a freighter in high sec without incurring any sort of timer whatosever by simply using EVE's bumping mechanics.

So all in all, this doesn't seem to be making freighters flexible, or making them better, it's just making them worse at their function and making them a more expensive and now riskier investment as they're a softer target.

Not to say freighters should be better or worse, but I don't see how this can be seen as a rebalance as much as an effective nerf. Although I do think as things stand, a freighter should be more difficult to gank than it is. As it stands, there's nothing a freighter pilot can really do to avoid a gank, where's with a miner there's plenty they can do.

Overpowered? Imbalanced? Compared to what? LOL. Not all terms apply to all classes. You want to talk about "overpowered?" How about look at the Orca. That's got enough meaningful room, FULL CUSTOMIZATION THROUGH MODULES, huge tank, quick align, etc. That's overpowered. A freighter than can do nothing but watch itself get bumped or suicide ganked? Overpowered? Imbalanced? Ha. No.

That's the issue in that regard. Is what it is. We'll see where it shakes out.

i also find it strange that you have left the shield/armour and hull HP bonuses on the JF's..

surely increasing shield HP for caldari and armour HP for the rest would make more sense allowing you remove off racial HP bonuses and hull bonus?

A low slot would have been a massive net buff. There was no need for a massive buff. This lets you customize your freighter, whilst keeping the relative power about where it was overall, but actually makes it better if it's trying to do one thing well.

Yes you can. Just take the numbers Fozzie is throwing out and decrease the nerf a tad. Make it less painful. Do I need to start pulling numbers here>?

And they've stated that there will be little or no need for importing in their longterm goal where? And that lines up with having certain resources necessary for production only available in certain space how?

Have a think at it again, we'll wait while you catch up with the rest of the class.

Whenever something like that happens you can be pretty sure that something is seriously wrong.