Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dear CCP

Have you ever heard of the straw that broke the camel's back?

I've played EVE since 2005. I've taken a couple of breaks but I've been a pretty loyal customer. I've spent years of subscription time (and thousands of subscription dollars) training my characters into their specialized roles to be able to do what I need them to do. And now suddenly I feel like the enemy, that CCP has decided that my playstyle is no longer desired in the game.

What do I do? I mine nullsec ice with a small multibox fleet and haul the compressed ice to empire, where I refine it and sell it on the empire market. Doesn't sound like much, but I can (and have) cause large market swings in ice product prices if I'm not careful to space out my trips to empire and my sell orders, so it's not an insignificant operation in the EVE economy. It's enough to PLEX all of my accounts the past year or so, plus save most of the way towards what I need for a super plus fit and implants, while I train the pilot.

When you nerfed the Hulk so that it could no longer stand up to nullsec rats without support, I switched to Mackinaws. Having every pilot in a mack meant I didn't need a dedicated hauler pilot, so it worked out. You made the mack the best compromise between defense and productivity and now you are surprised that they are used so much, so it's time for nerf. Switching a pilot to a Miasmos and the rest to Skiffs gives me most, but not all, of my production capability back, and seems a waste of an exhumer pilot. I can deal with that, but you aren't done yet.

You seem to forget that you deliberately made empire ice mining not sufficient for New Eden's ice needs back during the Odyssey ice changes. You seem to forget that capital ships use racial isotopes that are only found in certain areas of space. You seem to think that the centralization of the economy and power projection in the game is a result of logistics being too easy, and not a result of the game and the pilot's skill levels maturing as the game grows older. Somehow you have created a Utopia in your mind where Eve is Balkanized like it was back in the 2005-2009 era, completely ignoring the fact that it is a natural progression of competitive human organizations to ally together against enemies until only two coalitions face each other.

Until and unless you make it where capital ships and POS towers can use nonspecialized fuel, we need trade in New Eden. I can't believe you honestly expect nullsec dwellers to crosstrain all the racial capital ships and use only those that use the local fuel, their purposes vary too widely. Same goes for POS towers. In order for that trade to happen, all nullsec movers are already looking at double to triple the transport cost, and who knows how high it will go.

These jump freighter changes are ill-considered and an additional burden on top of the same people you have been slamming repeatedly the past month or so with all your nerfs and changes. At some point, even the loyal among us reach a breaking point. I'm not willing to spend for 5-6 months worth of PLEX at 700mil each to retrain my JF pilot, that I took years training to excel at his job (freighter 5 and jump freighter 5 are NOT short skills people) and retrain him into a Rorqual so that I can kind of get back to where I was.

Before all of the "so long carebear" posts come rolling in, let me further say that most of my characters serve a dual purpose. The Rorqual pilot is fully trained leadership pilot that provides fleet links, several exhumer pilots are also carrier and dread pilots, some are scouts and hotdrop cynos, and my main combat pilot is an FC and a new pilot trainer.

Do you hear what I'm saying? I'm not just a carebear that mines ice. I'm a small but not inconsequential cog in the EVE economy as well as a content creater, a veteran pilot and a loyal customer. Until now.

Now I've had enough. I've watched you deliberately cultivate a more vicious and rude playstyle and playerbase until the community has turned from enjoyable to toxic. The impetus for my breaks has generally been the excesses of that community, but this time it's you, CCP.

8 accounts logging off. And this time, I don't intend to come back.

Except this change does nothing to that end. People who use JFs now are still going to use them after the change.

Yes, some of those items will need to be brought in. Most of those however, are small items (though I do feel your pain with isotopes). Mineral compression going away will still mean that localized gathering of ore becomes exponentially more important. More miners in space means more targets. More targets equals more chances for smaller gang pvp.

What changes negate the need of importing?

Go on, find them.

This is possibly one of the worst changes I have ever seen. Anyone who actually flies jump freighters a lot will tell you that this is an awful change. For my rhea to even get to where it is right now I have to dump 1.2b on rigs + buy a high grade nomad set. Thank CCP for a dumb change that makes me waste 3 - 4b.

You are directly nurfing Alliance level logistics. The amount of burn out that already exists is staggering. You now want people to have to carry 50% more fuel without increasing the size of the fuel bay, thus further nurfing how much cargo I can hold due to having to carry 200K+ isotopes in my cargo hold (instead of 100k).


TL:DR, increase in Jump cost + cargo hold nurf + agi nurf = 3-4b to get your JF back to just a bit less **** than before.

You guys also seem to think everything in null still hinges on Jita. Industry still needs work, but to carry on that all is lost and null will implode into nothing because your JF took a slight nerf is ridiculous. Maybe look into building stuff out in null so you don't have to ship in 100% of everything?

Then again that may have more to do with mineral availability so I'm not sure. I think I'll just sit back and watch the world burn a bit.

This is the real kick in the balls. It would be one thing if adding two rigs to the JF could actually make it better in some respect, even if it was not massively better.

Well, I guess it's always safest to expect a worst case scenario when changes are announced on a stage in Iceland. Though, there is only so deep I'm willing to go into that hole in order to manage my own expectations. But I hear ya. Hey guys, look at the bright side, it could have been worse. There, all fixed. lol

shouldn't the caldari ones have more shields than armour?

In the thread: ccp realizes that a cargo rig expanded freighter could move a packaged capital ship so Nerf the storage of them so that they don't have to rethink the rigs changes.