Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cruor needs another low. If it had that, and the fittings for a nos-powered dual rep setup....at least it could do something better than the sentinel.

the cruor is in many situations worse then then it was before the PG nerf just wrecked its tank which was garbage to begin with and the web nerf lets it get kited by everything with a scram ab or scram web


move one high to a low and increase the neut bonus to compensate also give it back all the fitting it had

thats destroyer dps. not frigate!

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[TEST Worm, New Setup 3]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
[empty med slot]

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

'Augmented' Hobgoblin x2
'Augmented' Hobgoblin x3


needs geno 1 or EE-602 +2% cpu
not very viable this fit
the drones also cost 15mil each on tq with t2 hobs its 328dps

On par with your cats and comets with no points.

Gee, as a vet you would think that you knew the definition of a blob. guess not

Yeah, the proposed web bonus on the Cruor only 'helps' it get 'close' (AKA 13-11km) to use shorter ranged neuts, which is a fancy way of saying that the Cruor has to use more slots, put itself in greater danger, and for what? Either marginally higher DPS or almost no DPS and marginally better neuting... but not enough to make it worth being close ranged.

I think it is odd that the Cruor gets a lot of stats that make it look just like a tackle frigate, like decently low sig (nothing to truly write home about, but it's not too shabby), the BEST lock time of a combat frigate (953 with max skills, compared to 775 of Kestrel or 1100 of Taranis) 4/3/3 utility high slot setup, low tank, and ship bonuses to tackle module -webs for the Blood Raiders- but it lacks two things to fulfill this role (besides being expensive):

Agility/Speed. Cruor lacks a lot of speed, and a bit of agility. If you'd just hand it 375m/s base speed (Fed Navy Comet) then the Daredevil and Dram would be faster as well as more agile, but the Cruor would have 20km web to abuse and utility neuts. To improve the agility, I would adjust the mass/inertia modifiers to make it so that plates don't weigh it a whole lot [GIVE IT BACK THE POWERGRID!] to make plate and active tank both viable choices with clear advantages.

Other good changes would involve buffing scan resolution so it locks more like a Taranis (the slowest locking inty in game). It's also nearly impossible to shoot drones without using metastasis rigs on Gatling Pulse if you don't swap your web onto the drone once your MWD is off so perhaps a role bonus to tracking would help it here. Or better drones (15mb/25m3 kinda deal)

Not saying that these suggestions are THE BEST EVAR GUYZ... but it makes sense that the Cruor would be a tackle frigate. I mean, Blood Raiders need fast tacklers too, right?

As for use as a solopwnmobile - buffing speed/agility makes it easier to use against potential kiters, and more tracking/drone power helps a little bit, too. Not a whole lot in that direction.

Hmmm, I think I like that sort of change a lot. I have always been wanting that fourth low slot, and if you look at that change for pure neut style Cruor, it makes the ship nearly self sufficient as the Nos provides enough cap to run the neuts for a very long time, while lending it a greater tank. For solo Cruor, the nos would hit like a neut... Not particularly stellar but tbh the fact that it gives you capacitor back makes it all worthwhile.

the idea is to increase the neut/nos bonus to compensate for the moved high which would give it a 50% per lvl bonus
but even with that change and with its old power grid back I can't see the cruor match up to the other pirate frigates/sentinel in power just because its power is so very situational and it is mandatory to use A-type nos on it

I think it should absolutely get a 75% nos/neut range role bonus

Hey guys

Getting caught up on some feedback here finally and working on the Cruor a bit as a result.

What I'd really like to do is get the Cruor into a place where it can keep the Blood bonus layout and still be powerful enough to see battle. The request that's been made several times for an extra low makes a lot of sense but I really didn't think it could afford to give up a high (1 turret? only 1 utility high?) or a mid (web bonus) so I was a bit stuck and then I realized there's no reason it can't have 11 slots, so that's what I'm going to do.

We're also going to up the base PG from 50 to 57 and the base CPU from 140 to 150. Finally, to pay a little back for these improvements we're taking one drone away (from 10m3 to 5m3).

Hopefully all in all this gives enough flexibility in fitting to let you take advantage of the slightly divergent bonuses and that lets us keep the faction line in tact and leave the Cruor as a very unique ship in the frigate class rather than forcing it to compete directly with the Sentinel.

Let me know what you think.