Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please point out where I said majority I said several hundreds or thousands, I am unsure of the exact number. Spin doctoring is bad.

Several hundreds or perhaps a few thousand implies a majority in a game with what 500,000 subscriptions? Please. As for 'goonspiracy' look at your own post where you state that being in the CFC and your like makes you the 'majority'. Your posts are coming across as entitled because of your affiliations.

So these people are so terrible bad no good that it warrants CCP quarantining every. single. NPC. corp. character. And yet they aren't so terrible bad no good for the moderators/CCP to rouse themselves to ban any of them individually. Do you see why I question your logic?

It doesn't have the value of a shell corporation? Really?

Effort. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Where have I said that? I never said CCP should be forbidden from permabanning someone who pays a subscription. We're not talking TOS/EULA violations here. We're talking about someone saying something on the forums that makes you want to hunt them down in game, but you're being blue balled by them using an alt. And for that, you want to ban all NPC corp characters from posting.

And how, exactly, does PLEX let you do that? Think a little. It will come to you.

While this entire thread is a total troll this is a blatant lie and you know it.
There are loads of NPC corp players who post regularly on the forums who undock and fly around constantly.
They are in an NPC corp because they enjoy the atmosphere since some of the NPC corps actually have a very strong social grouping & interactions. Don't want to deal with extremely poor mechanics that were implemented to allow corps to internally test fits that are no longer required with later changes to the game but have been left to placate a vocal few. And are still at risk, you can still kill them if you don't like what they say.

As for risk/reward. Again, not every single tiny little thing needs to be better for higher risk. You already have numerous benefits for the risks you take being in a player corp that the NPC corp members do not have. So that's a laughable argument. Especially since if we extend your argument, then scammers should be banned since they are alts and never undock. So face no risk so should get no reward. As should margin trading scammers. Oh, and as should anyone hotdropping cap fleets on tiny subcap roams since they also face no risk. As should blobs...... We can extend that 'no risk' argument a long long way.

You've said repeatedly things skirting the lines of "that person paid a subscription so they are allowed the privilege of trolling the forums."



Yes I'm advocating for NPC corporation members having to pay something for the wonderful immunity they are granted that payment is restricted forum posting abilities. They can still read everything but, they can't post everywhere, this also has an in-game precedent for example in npc nullsec you can dock everywhere and go everywhere yet in sov nullsec you can't dock everywhere but, you can still go everywhere. Notice how both of those are not a ban but, are a restriction.

Believe it or not :effort: is a pretty good limiter to things.

I defer to ISD how banning works but, from personal experience the same trolls that were there when I started years ago are still there today doing the exact same thing. Derailing threads repeatedly until they are locked with no consequences to themselves.

Do you have an argument against my OP besides "I don't like what you're saying so its a troll/should be locked" or are you only going to hurl wild accusations and talk about unrelated things? We can't discuss anything with nonconstructive criticisms like this.

Goonspiracy doesn't help your argument. This suggestion doesn't prevent you from getting that protection or providing your opinion. From my suggestion you still get F&I (devblog response threads), character bazaar, recruitment, and new citizens. If you want to go to that effort go right ahead this suggestion is one step in solving the problem not the whole solution.

Like I said earlier in the thread everyone deserves a voice when it comes to the direction of EVE like the devblog feedback threads which are posted here. No one is saying you shouldn't be able to voice that opinion.

What this suggestion is aiming to reduce is stuff like this:

Person A: On topic discussing controversial topic.

Person B: On topic discussing opposing point of controversial topic.

NPC corporation posting alt: Defecates in thread attempting to derail it.

Person A/B: Attempting to get back to topic.

ISD: Cleans thread.

Same thing repeats.

ISD: Cleans thread.

Same thing repeats.

ISD: Locks thread.

The NPC corporation posting alt goes on to do that in other threads.

You're all over the place, I don't know what you're trying to get at here you need to be more coherent.

I think your idea has some interesting possibilities. In particular, I wouldn't mind seeing something such as a requirement to be in an npc corporation to start a thread in the Character Bazaar. However, I must disagree with something such as posts costing isk, as that could be a deterrent to player participation.

As Ezwal said earlier, this thread has been shown to CCP's community Team, so they might get feedback on how to better the forums for everyone. So, keep up the good ideas and good work and something might come of it!

A down side to that is that if you then don't find a buyer you've had to add a couple of extra lines to your employment history for no reason. Maybe that's no big deal, but what if you then try and sell the character a few months later, again without success? Also, the main character on each of my accounts is a corp director. Were I to sell any of them I'd want to be able to make use of their roles until I agreed a sale.