Intergalactic Summit

It is so interesting that Caldari can become so passionate against the Sansha while being an ally of the amarr. You are in bed with a slaver throwing rocks at another slaver. In the final analysis they both seek to enslave the entire cluster.

It is no secret, they say it directly, only idiots pretend it is not a threat. The time will come when they come to enslave all the Caldari.

You will have no support, look to our past, it is your future!

... and then the blue pill wore off.

Oh who are we kidding, like you'd ever run out of hallucinogens. Please, carry on, this crap is hilarious.

I find it interesting that the Sansha still have incursions into Caldari space, when if you were to believe some posting here they would prefer death to being enslaved.

I guess that posting proves the credibility of the poster.

A complete and total fraud.

Perhaps when her home world is savaged by her current allies, or a Sansha incursion she'll know her family members and all their fellow state citizens chose death before surrender. Because, let's be honest, the mighty Caldari being so civilized could easily beat the Gallente and or the Minmatar right?

That's why they hopped in bed with the slavery cultists .... to protect them.

They just defeated the Gallente and have total control of their home world right?

Their military prowess is clearly second to none.

The slave cultists are lucky to have such loyal guardians to protect them from the rabble. I am sure they value the Caldari almost as much as they value their Slaver Hounds.

To be fair, I suspect we wouldn't be doing quite so stellar a job of it with their starting conditions either. Also, they have awesome face doodles. We still haven't managed to crack their awesome face doodle technology, even with our prowess. I suspect there's some Sebiestor dark technology magic involved, and have hired several highly recognized Sebiestor Engineers (Sebingeneers if you will) in order to attempt reverse engineering it with our Caldari visages and tech.

Sadly, the failure rate has been high and we've been forced to dump the failed experiments the only place they can fit in. Gallente stations, where the horrors have merely become "trendsetters".

Yes, I'm sure he does.

Sympathy for one's issues only extends so far.

Haven't you heard, that Sansha lift peoples and make them into slaves by replacing their brains (partly) with schematics?

And your affection to concept of slavery is unhealthy. Make sure to check in to medbay.

I would like to address this point, as it's quite inaccurate.

People are people and there's no claims that the disenfranchised, criminals or simply highly unlucky people aren't exactly that. People. What they may not be, are citizens. For some reason or another they have rejected or had revoked their citizenship and thus made the rather conscious choice of no longer being the State's responsibility. Committing certain crimes, failing to do their duty, betrayal, performing to standards far below expectation for their position and capacity are all things they are responsible for on their own. The State and by extension everyone in it have no reason nor duty to lessen ourselves by expending undue resources on such people when it can be used on those who do earn it.

The caveat is obviously that no system is perfect, so there'll be those who end up in such situations without good reason, but that is not a problem that will be fixed by coddling criminals, failures and other scum. Improving the system and the State with the resources we have, is the only viable course of action.

Can you say the hungry, uneducated and sick of the Republic fall into this category? Some, of course, but I will bet you the majority are quite simply out of luck, not honor, duty, responsibility and willingness to contribute.



This however, is rather straight on the mark. The State standing alone would be a highly risky proposition and would likely be very unfortunate for our citizenry. So, it comes down to choosing allies. The Federation is obviously not an option. The Republic is - or at least was - far too closely intertwined with the Federation to be an option, however much I would wish otherwise. Jovians would for obvious reasons be out of the question and none of the outlaws would fit particularly well with the State, would they?

So the choice becomes, stand alone or stand with the Empire. An Empire, I might add, that trades fairly and respects the cultural lines where they appear. An Empire that both benefits from us and stands strong with us when needed. An Empire that accepts our laws and ways in our own territories without rustling sabers or forcing the issue.

I am an outspoken advocate of severing the above ties, should the circumstances allow for a far better match with the tribes of the Republic, but let's be realistic. It is today, very much not an option. Today, I will take the honest Empire's desire to subjugate New Eden under their thumb and ally with them, since it is both needed to stave off the threat your people pose to us, and because they are really not stupid enough to turn on us neither culturally nor militarily as long as they face a similar threat.

Tell me, do you know a better way that will not spell disaster for my people? If so, I would very gladly hear it and promote it. Otherwise, let's refrain from pretending our current alliance "seems odd". It's frankly the only thing that makes sense with the political reality of New Eden.

You can only call someone out so far before you get reminded of your own failings. If you expect no judgement, encourage your brethren to return the favor, or get used to being let down by the universe when you start in on someone about decisions made well above his pay grade.

Out of anyone, Surionen, you in particular know better when it comes to this. Or, at least, you damn well should after that mess at Colelie, and all the **** you took from a decision that wasn't yours. So don't sit there and act like Pieter did anything but get tired of your boy's bull****. It's people like him that push 'us first' so ******* hard, that it shoves away anyone who might just have helped your sorry ***** otherwise.

Not that it matters. You never needed it, right? Guess all those trillions you got handed from the Fed never existed...

Now, you go ahead and be disappointed as much as you like. Maker knows it doesn't mean much when all you do is look for reasons to be.

I never said I did not understand his perspective.

I said I was disappointed by it.

I can understand why someone does something, and still disagree with it.

Edit: In abiding with the request from Pilot Kehrner, I'll end my part in it here, given that this is a PIE thread, and dedicated to an issue unrelated to where it's gone.