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Band-aid for the "40% just levels his raven": highsec issue supers

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-05-17 08:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlon Goblin
We heard in the fanfest presentation that only 10% of the paying players turn to "diverse play", 50% quits soon and 40% are just "leveling up their Raven". Obviously I cannot offer a serious fix for that, as addressing this issue needs complete, strategic level changes.

However I can offer a simple band-aid that will not fix the problem, but slows the bleeding of players. How? It doesn't take that much time to level up that Raven into a faction-fit Golem. After that, the solo player either quits or keeps upgrading the ship stupidly until he gets ganked and quits.

My suggestion is giving him something that takes a year or more to get: a supercarrier or titan.

These supers would be modifications and reskins of the original ones, called "Imperial issue Avatar" for example. Their largest modification would be no jump drive. Since supers can't take gates, this would lock them to the system they are built in. They would lose EWAR immunity, so their PvP value would be zero (an Ibis could tackle and disable one, literally), they would be exclusively a large status symbol for PvE players. While they would have some PvE use, it would be totally cost-ineffective, so the owner couldn't print ISK.

The highsec supercarriers (beside losing their jump ability and EWAR immunity) would be modified to be able to use normal drones, making them an extremely expensive mission boat. Since they can't dock, the user would need an alt to pick up and return the mission, making this a very dumb - but stylish - way of missioning.

The highsec titans would gain the ability to fit strip miners and a 100000 m3 ore bay. Their mining bonuses would be equal to the Mackinaw, so their 6 turrets would let them mine like 3 Macks. As a Leviathan has no turret hardpoints, it would get Rorqual-equal bonuses for mining links. Since they can't dock, they are bound to a second hauler account and they could only mine in one system, so they wouldn't make anyone rich. But hey, look at me, I'm mining in a titan!

These ships would make a solo PvE player busy and happy for a year or more until he gets it. He will probably quit after that, but EVE still won X month of subscription. And hey, some of them might even do something dumb like getting into limited engagement or keep it in a wardeccable corp. Or better: he learns that there is more in EVE than leveling your Raven.

They could be built like outposts. A pilot drops an "egg", a structure launched for himself which can only be attacked in war like POCOs, (you can't wardec an NPC corp) and has multi-million HP. Then he freights the capital components and BPC into its hold and starts building. After a month, the build is complete, he flies there in a pod, clicks "activate ship" and he is in his very new super.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-05-17 08:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Gigan Amilupar
So, wait, let's see if I understand this. Instead of focusing their efforts on creating meaningful content and devising gameplay mechanics that encourage players to go out, be social and experience said content, you want CCP to implement a completely arbitrary and pointless piece of "endgame" content for the sole purpose of trying to milk a portion of their customer base out of as much money as possible? Not only does that seem like poor, no, a downright deplorable and borderline immoral development strategy (milk the customer for what they're worth before they leave) but it also seems to me that it would do nothing but spread negativity about the game. Now granted, players who quit may not at all recommend EvE to their friends, but I don't think we need to give them another excuse to talk badly about the game in the form of "You just grind by yourself until you get the biggest ship, and then lose it right away to gankers, or failing that sit in it mining or just plain don't do anything".

So yeah, I'm afraid I'm of the opinion that this is a terrible idea. Sorry.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#3 - 2014-05-17 09:00:13 UTC
You are aware how silly this idea is.
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-17 09:17:37 UTC
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
So, wait, let's see if I understand this. Instead of focusing their efforts on creating meaningful content and devising gameplay mechanics that encourage players to go out, be social and experience said content, you want CCP to implement a completely arbitrary and pointless piece of "endgame" content for the sole purpose of trying to milk a portion of their customer base out of as much money as possible?


This is called "MMO development".

I think CCP should stop being saints who want to give everyone a deep and meaningful content when every other competitor just gives them a random "boss" to kill after grinding for months. How is killing Garros Hellscream is more meaningful than a mining titan? Actually it's less meaningful, as after the next expansion everyone will level to 100 and can solo him, while the titan will forever will be the biggest ship in EVE.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Remy Nolen
Sama Guild
#5 - 2014-05-17 09:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Remy Nolen
Maybe if the other battleships{other than machs} didn't completely suck balls solo....

Look at the BS line up, Raven & tyhpoon are beasts in solo play. The rest are utterly terrible. The domi is pretty good if the NPC ai didn't switch so damn much.

Edit: I loathe running missions. Absolutely fracking boring.
Tragot Gomndor
Three Sword Inc
#6 - 2014-05-17 09:55:26 UTC
Give that man an AWARD, this is like the BEST IDEA EVER....... NOT......

damn, why do i even look at this forum here *mutters while walking away, shaking his head*

NONONONONONO TO CAPS IN HIGHSEC NO

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2014-05-17 09:59:09 UTC
How long do you think you'll survive in a 150b isk Mack?
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-17 10:02:18 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
How long do you think you'll survive in a 150b isk Mack?

You have any idea how much EHP a titan has? Takes a few catas to chew it down. Also, it's closer to 80B unless you officer fit it. Real titans are expensive because it's hard to build them, while these could be built by anyone.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2014-05-17 10:03:21 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
How long do you think you'll survive in a 150b isk Mack?

You have any idea how much EHP a titan has? Takes a few catas to chew it down. Also, it's closer to 80B unless you officer fit it. Real titans are expensive because it's hard to build them, while these could be built by anyone.



And then wardecdced by anyone, and then killed by anyone...
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-05-17 10:08:08 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:

And then wardecdced by anyone, and then killed by anyone...


No wonder you guys die easily to Lemmings. Knowing about highsec mechanics isn't your strength. Hint: you can't wardec the NPC corp. Hopefully the pilot isn't a complete idiot to be in any other corp.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-05-17 10:10:33 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:

And then wardecdced by anyone, and then killed by anyone...


No wonder you guys die easily to Lemmings. Knowing about highsec mechanics isn't your strength. Hint: you can't wardec the NPC corp. Hopefully the pilot isn't a complete idiot to be in any other corp.



Wait, so you'd allow these things to be built by NPC corps? Why?

Hell, what's the point of them anyway? You yourself state they should have no use at all...
Loki106
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-05-17 10:13:05 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:

And then wardecdced by anyone, and then killed by anyone...


No wonder you guys die easily to Lemmings. Knowing about highsec mechanics isn't your strength. Hint: you can't wardec the NPC corp. Hopefully the pilot isn't a complete idiot to be in any other corp.

Hint: some people like to socialize with other players
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-05-17 10:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlon Goblin
Loki106 wrote:

Hint: some people like to socialize with other players

And having your supercapital pilot in the NPC corp makes it impossible to talk with people?

Edit: read the title, the suggestion targets solo players who "just level their Raven".

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-05-17 10:29:06 UTC
And what's the point? What does it do? Why would anyone bother? Even covering thier navy raven in officer mods actually serves a purpose, what does this DO?
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-05-17 10:31:42 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
And what's the point? What does it do? Why would anyone bother? Even covering thier navy raven in officer mods actually serves a purpose, what does this DO?


What does ANYTHING in a video game do? Why do people grind structures to flip a sov? Both are "achievements", very visible accomplishments in the game.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-17 10:34:03 UTC
I will support this, if:

1) NPC corp cannot build one, lore-wise only navies are able to field supercaps.
2) As you're part of the navy, pre-requisite would be factional warfare.
3) Cost is equal to normally built supers and requires a POS to be built in.
4) Ships cannot have any combat capability.
5) You stop posting bad ideas.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#17 - 2014-05-17 10:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Those 40% leveling up their raven's should be totally content over the occasional interaction with the rest of eve by means of wardecs.

This proposal would just give players tools to get ganked more oftenly. (suspect for capitals in highsec isn't it?)
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#18 - 2014-05-17 10:47:51 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
you can't wardec the NPC corp. Hopefully the pilot isn't a complete idiot to be in any other corp.


I found one of the many terrible assumptions you made.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Konrad Kane
#19 - 2014-05-17 10:52:04 UTC
I'm very disappointed by the lack of charts, not even a table - what is the World coming to?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#20 - 2014-05-17 10:56:14 UTC
Loki106 wrote:
Hint: some people like to socialize with other players


In all seriousness (because I've actually had this coversation with Gevlon) he looks down on people like that with a fair bit of genuine contempt. He thinks all gamers should be looking to maximise rewards with the minimum of effort and those that don't are doing it so very wrong.

In fact, it's the reason he was encouraged to part ways with the New Order. He wanted everyone out soloing retrievers every 15 minutes without fail, like robots, whereas many of us enjoy the camaraderie of blowing things up together, for [shudder] fun [/shudder]. I recall he actually laughed at the notion of any social aspect to a game except where it provides a tangible in-game benefit to efficiency.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

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