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WH Life Is Cyclical - Is It W-Space Specific?

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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#21 - 2014-05-14 10:46:44 UTC
Winthorp wrote:


To be fair technically Rolled Out is only two weeks old, it was held by only an alt until we all joined. Feel free to check employment histories to confirm.


I was only looking at active killboard months, but decided to disregard your first month with just one loss which would have made you technically 3 months old.

Anyway, that's off topic.



Winthorp
#22 - 2014-05-14 10:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Aiyshimin wrote:
Winthorp wrote:


To be fair technically Rolled Out is only two weeks old, it was held by only an alt until we all joined. Feel free to check employment histories to confirm.


I was only looking at active killboard months, but decided to disregard your first month with just one loss which would have made you technically 3 months old.

Anyway, that's off topic.






Your interpretation of mythical math stats amuses me, please continue to math in a pissing contest... We are two weeks old not three months for a name holder toon but yeah average out the two weeks even longer if it helps you sleep better at night.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#23 - 2014-05-14 11:05:17 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Winthorp wrote:


To be fair technically Rolled Out is only two weeks old, it was held by only an alt until we all joined. Feel free to check employment histories to confirm.


I was only looking at active killboard months, but decided to disregard your first month with just one loss which would have made you technically 3 months old.

Anyway, that's off topic.






Your interpretation of mythical math stats amuses me, please continue to math in a pissing contest... We are two weeks old not three months for a name holder toon but yeah average out the two weeks even longer if it helps you sleep better at night.


Whatever baby, your KB or lack of it is not the point here no matter how self-centred you may be.



Winthorp
#24 - 2014-05-14 11:12:14 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Winthorp wrote:


To be fair technically Rolled Out is only two weeks old, it was held by only an alt until we all joined. Feel free to check employment histories to confirm.


I was only looking at active killboard months, but decided to disregard your first month with just one loss which would have made you technically 3 months old.

Anyway, that's off topic.






Your interpretation of mythical math stats amuses me, please continue to math in a pissing contest... We are two weeks old not three months for a name holder toon but yeah average out the two weeks even longer if it helps you sleep better at night.


Whatever baby, your KB or lack of it is not the point here no matter how self-centred you may be.





it was you that was mocking us for it and making up your own facts to support your statement and ignoring facts when presented but ok lets say the KB wasn't important now you have been proven an idiot...
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#25 - 2014-05-14 11:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: AssassinationsdoneWrong
Winthorp wrote:



Your interpretation of mythical math stats amuses me, please continue to math in a pissing contest... We are two weeks old not three months for a name holder toon but yeah average out the two weeks even longer if it helps you sleep better at night.


I was there. IIRC we should have shot your golden pod THEN got our ishtars owned by rail prots but forgot the pod bit but yeah ...... timeline is spot on.

As for Aish your arguments are based on the very logic which has sterilised WH space already and that is relying on the tried and tested to reinvent themselves rather than appealing to and encouraging new players and blocks into J numbers.
Eve is as prone to people leaving the game or changing their own game as any other. If you're going to live in a leaky bucket then you have to top it up every once in a while or it just runs dry.

Right now with MNRs so low and cullings so high we are going through a drought of new participants. Nothing more than that though.

We hope for positive improvements and iterations and we live with it until then or we move to low sec.

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#26 - 2014-05-14 11:25:00 UTC
So as an german speaking Player, i give here also my 5 Cent.
First i will warn you about my english, i try my best.

So I life in w-space since 2010. I started with an C2 with HS/C4.
After we were shoot out from the C2 by Talcon / TLC / TL Fleet, we went to a C3 with LS, and in summer we go to a C3 with 00.

So what I can say is, people like to have the option to do some stuff in the Empire.
If they stuck in W-Space they get bored out.
So we decide to set up an HS Corp.

Because sometimes the Pilots from HS, move to the WH for some PVP fun or Mining OPs.
The nice thing by the lower wormholes are, you can fly DED Complexes and do some PVP / PVE stuff in LS/00

So that' is why we go to a C3 with 00, have fun in W-Space and have fun with the Null people :-D
I have still the image In my mind, of 80 Pilots in an 00 System and all of them in front the Wormhole :-D

And well yes, people comes and go away to look out for new experience.
Remember its only a game. And well, W-space is only for a few of specials players

So I hope every one can understand what I want to say.

Greetings

Kira Hhallas

Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =Österreich= - StoryPage - https://oneshotstorys.wordpress.com/ -

Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#27 - 2014-05-14 11:32:23 UTC
Winthorp wrote:

it was you that was mocking us for it and making up your own facts to support your statement and ignoring facts when presented but ok lets say the KB wasn't important now you have been proven an idiot...


No, it wasn't me who brought your awesome KB up, it was your CEO who though it was somehow relevant to the discussion. Which is still isn't, but you don't seem to be able to discuss anything else but YOU.I also haven't been mocking you yet, but your micropenis-sized self esteem doesn't realize even that.




Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-05-14 11:38:30 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Winthorp wrote:

it was you that was mocking us for it and making up your own facts to support your statement and ignoring facts when presented but ok lets say the KB wasn't important now you have been proven an idiot...


No, it wasn't me who brought your awesome KB up, it was your CEO who though it was somehow relevant to the discussion. Which is still isn't, but you don't seem to be able to discuss anything else but YOU.I also haven't been mocking you yet, but your micropenis-sized self esteem doesn't realize even that.





I brought up the killboard, because you were stating that WH space is dead and our KB says otherwise nothing more nothing less.

I then compared ours to yours to try to validate your opinion as our medium sized group has killed more in value in 2 weeks than your alliance in it's entire existance, meaning that the opinion on PvP in general may not be as qualified as some.

Now, since we're getting personal and insulting each other now your toon has a terrible haircut and is dressed like a peasant.

♥ Sith

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#29 - 2014-05-14 11:42:16 UTC
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:


As for Aish your arguments are based on the very logic which has sterilised WH space already and that is relying on the tried and tested to reinvent themselves rather than appealing to and encouraging new players and blocks into J numbers.
Eve is as prone to people leaving the game or changing their own game as any other. If you're going to live in a leaky bucket then you have to top it up every once in a while or it just runs dry.

Right now with MNRs so low and cullings so high we are going through a drought of new participants. Nothing more than that though.

We hope for positive improvements and iterations and we live with it until then or we move to low sec.


Well yes, I hear you and acknowledge that remaining positive and optimistic would be more productive. However the lack of PVP does present a real barrier to recruiting new blood- lying about ample small gang PVP opportunities is wrong, and I doubt that things kick up at the closer we get to midsummer.

Using k-space holes to roam low and null is usually an option, but when it becomes the de facto main source of PVP, I begin to question the sanity of living in deep w-space.

One tiny little gift from CCP could do the trick, randomise sleeper spawns, remove ribs from cap escalations or give some additional buff to WH industry, anything that could lure some ex-hopers back or new corps in.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#30 - 2014-05-14 11:52:23 UTC
Sith1s Spectre wrote:

I brought up the killboard, because you were stating that WH space is dead and our KB says otherwise nothing more nothing less.

I then compared ours to yours to try to validate your opinion as our medium sized group has killed more in value in 2 weeks than your alliance in it's entire existance, meaning that the opinion on PvP in general may not be as qualified as some.

Now, since we're getting personal and insulting each other now your toon has a terrible haircut and is dressed like a peasant.

♥ Sith


I only picked up your empty chestbeating because it proves my point, not yours- you feel like your corp has awesome KB and you swim in PVP action, and then post a KB proving it to be exactly the opposite by normal standards .

WH space is ******* dead, and your KB proves that.

(P.S. your "medium-sized" corp has more members than our alliance)
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#31 - 2014-05-14 12:05:04 UTC
So why use normal Standards in W-Space ?

W-space get a small Buff in the Summer addon.
The option to refine Ore to minerals give will give the WH-Space a buff.
Also the Option to compress ore.

Next step would be to push Ring Mining (For t2 materials), if they come to w-space, you will have a good basis to put up industry in W.space.

And forget the Killboard, without Killboard there would be more PVP in EVE.

Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =Österreich= - StoryPage - https://oneshotstorys.wordpress.com/ -

Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare
Winthorp
#32 - 2014-05-14 12:22:05 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Sith1s Spectre wrote:

I brought up the killboard, because you were stating that WH space is dead and our KB says otherwise nothing more nothing less.

I then compared ours to yours to try to validate your opinion as our medium sized group has killed more in value in 2 weeks than your alliance in it's entire existance, meaning that the opinion on PvP in general may not be as qualified as some.

Now, since we're getting personal and insulting each other now your toon has a terrible haircut and is dressed like a peasant.

♥ Sith


I only picked up your empty chestbeating because it proves my point, not yours- you feel like your corp has awesome KB and you swim in PVP action, and then post a KB proving it to be exactly the opposite by normal standards .

WH space is ******* dead, and your KB proves that.

(P.S. your "medium-sized" corp has more members than our alliance)




I can't even forum with your level of ******.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-05-14 12:31:54 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Sith1s Spectre wrote:

I brought up the killboard, because you were stating that WH space is dead and our KB says otherwise nothing more nothing less.

I then compared ours to yours to try to validate your opinion as our medium sized group has killed more in value in 2 weeks than your alliance in it's entire existance, meaning that the opinion on PvP in general may not be as qualified as some.

Now, since we're getting personal and insulting each other now your toon has a terrible haircut and is dressed like a peasant.

♥ Sith


I only picked up your empty chestbeating because it proves my point, not yours- you feel like your corp has awesome KB and you swim in PVP action, and then post a KB proving it to be exactly the opposite by normal standards .

WH space is ******* dead, and your KB proves that.

(P.S. your "medium-sized" corp has more members than our alliance)




LOL how does comparing killboards (and i only used ours as an example) validate your point that WH space is dead? Look at Hardknocks, Lazerhawks, NOHO, SSC, TDSIN, Sky Fighters (before this month) in addition to a heap of other notable groups within WH space and you will find each of them have killed 100s of ships worth billions.

To me it honestly seems you're just bitter/frustrated that your inactive alliance can't seem to get any action.

WH space isn't the only place to pvp - we use it to go where ever the PVP is

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#34 - 2014-05-14 12:39:31 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
I only picked up your empty chestbeating because it proves my point, not yours- you feel like your corp has awesome KB and you swim in PVP action, and then post a KB proving it to be exactly the opposite by normal standards .

WH space is ******* dead, and your KB proves that.

(P.S. your "medium-sized" corp has more members than our alliance

Jesus, do we even get a chance to move in yet? Lol

WH space is fine imo. Sure, the action ebbs and flows, always has, depending on a ton of physical and social factors.

If you're so disheartened by lack of action in w-space I'm pretty sure you're welcome to **** off back to the awesomeness of low/null/highsec anytime. I hear some good faction war corps are recruiting if you like plexxing, blobs and frig brawls.

Also, dat head. Shocked

If you're lacking content I suggest you go shoot your stylist.

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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#35 - 2014-05-14 13:47:07 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:

Lowsec has more action because it's more populated.

I disagree with "finding pew whenever you want it". It's simply not true anymore. I've been in w-space since 2011, and yeah, you used to quite easily find action on most nights, enough at least to keep you happy over the quiet nights. But today not finding anything to shoot is more common than finding something. You roll, scout, roll again, scout, roll, scout, and suddenly it's time to log off without having done anything productive for hours. Be honest, don't try claim that this doesn't happen.

So yes, low sec and wh are different play styles- lowsec is PVP play style for those who enjoy combat in this game, whs are for chilling on TS with corpmates -play style.


I'm sorry Aiyshimin but I completely disagree with you. Wspace has never been about daily pvp on your doorstep. Anyone expecting that leave disappointed. You can have pew whenever you want in wspace tho you actually need to work a lot harder for it. If you want daily pvp then place a alt with a cloaky ship inside tlc, noho or maybe Rolled out's wh (I bet they welcome you with open arms :P ). The only reason you find easy pvp on your doorstep in lowsec is because everyone fly cheap frigs with insurance and noone really loose any isk to speak of.

And killboard comparing? Your old enough to not stoop to that level.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#36 - 2014-05-14 14:52:27 UTC
Arguing who is the better wormhole-pvp group is wrong on so many levels! You have to ;) blink constantly ;) to make it believable.

We're all terrible at it to a varying degree ;) ;)
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#37 - 2014-05-15 12:50:11 UTC
Sith1s Spectre wrote:


To me it honestly seems you're just bitter/frustrated that your inactive alliance can't seem to get any action.

WH space isn't the only place to pvp - we use it to go where ever the PVP is


Well I can't disagree about the bitterness/frustration part, but instead of my alliance I blame the lack of PVP population in C5 space. Guess I just have to get my hopes up for Ducks, Suddenly Spaceships et al to breathe fresh air into the scene. CCP Grayscale also wrote that they have a lot of plans of w-space just waiting for dev time.

Yeah we trip a lot into lowsec to get our fix, which is just fine. A lot of my frustration stems from my time in QCATS, where I logged 500-600 kills per month and it seems I just haven't gotten over the culture shock of empty C5 after another, night after night.

Anyway, we can keep discussing this over fresh antimatter and warp disruption bubbles should we meet in space Cool
ARMED1
Galloglas
Fraternity.
#38 - 2014-05-15 17:41:26 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Skewed perspective. "Big Groups" like yours with less kills/month avg than our small, mostly inactive alliance.

And both of our groups together ALL TIME TOTAL is still 100 kills less than one PVP player gets in a month in low sec.


Comparing WH PVP to LowSec PVP is an epic FAIL! As is comparing the ship count and claiming that it is some indication of the viability of WHS or the PVP content within them.

100 WH ship kills are, in most cases, vastly more expensive than a similar number of kills in LowSec. Not to mention that killing 100 ships in a WH will USUALLY (unless you are a Purple/Blue fit Caracal pilot) require much more skill, strategy, hunting and time than killing 1000 ships in low sec. If you are going to PVP in WH space it is about the hunting, stalking and strategy. If you want PVP on your doorstep then you should go throw frigates and cruisers at the wall in LowSec. WH space offers a different style of play and PVP. That is the whole point....
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#39 - 2014-05-15 18:45:35 UTC
ARMED1 wrote:
Comparing WH PVP to LowSec PVP is an epic FAIL! As is comparing the ship count and claiming that it is some indication of the viability of WHS or the PVP content within them.

100 WH ship kills are, in most cases, vastly more expensive than a similar number of kills in LowSec. Not to mention that killing 100 ships in a WH will USUALLY (unless you are a Purple/Blue fit Caracal pilot) require much more skill, strategy, hunting and time than killing 1000 ships in low sec. If you are going to PVP in WH space it is about the hunting, stalking and strategy. If you want PVP on your doorstep then you should go throw frigates and cruisers at the wall in LowSec. WH space offers a different style of play and PVP. That is the whole point....


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Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#40 - 2014-05-17 01:20:39 UTC
Or live in a U210 and do both.

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