EVE General Discussion

As I was going about personal errands today, I started to wonder if it would be possible to have a "meta market". The core idea would be something like a forum or site where all blues can "shop" and put items up for sale. Of course there would still need to be some interaction for the contracts and such - not entirely automated.

But I like the idea of not putting military products on the market.

I recall a lowsec system back before WTZ that had some very good pirates (and some of the best people you could meet) who put up shuttles in the stations for sale - but nothing else! The shuttles were 8 million ISK a piece See if you managed to warp your pod out of their camp and made it to the station, well it was going to cost you to get a quicker ride and they didn't loot the wrecks either. You have to understand the guys involved and their approach to PVP to see the humor in that.

I didn't want to laugh at this.

But I did.

Hahah I wasn't saying I would be smearing you. I meant in the face of all the opposition, accusations of lunacy and the fact of the 17 jumps to a clone facility wasn't all the attrition anyone could handle. Kudos that you are still operating

I shall carry on following this thread in interest.

Tools such as a mobile depot enables a player to carry out operations in deep space where it is difficult to dock when you would like.

Ray, I get the impression you want a game to be easy. A guy like you would want to come here for example and everything is perfect. We would have all the standard tools, no one would be camping us and we could comfortably go out in maurauders every day without the fear of being blops'ed.

In real life for example, if your pay is low do you just accept it? or do you go and learn something so your prospects are better and you can get a higher paid job? It's more about acceptance, what are you prepared to accept? I'm not prepared to accept anyone telling me it is too hard to live down here. I don't accept joining a sov alliance is the only way to dwell in 0.0. I don't accept campers stop you from earning anything.

I like the way CCP has designed the game, I would refer to it as realistic design because I feel CCP has met us half way. If we look at the venture for example, it is ideal for operating out here and we have been provided with a utility slot for a cloak and some good speed. It is now down to us to fit it correctly and understand the rules of survival in order to successfully mine out here.

I find this game fun because you can be yourself, you can push the boundries of social norms by finding loopholes in the way people think. I understand exactly how a camper thinks and operates and this is why I find them so terribly easy to avoid.

This is the revolution my friend.

I see. Because of nature of this projcet which implies strong emphasis on social activities I've got an impression that there are some new tools in this particular field waiting to be introduced to the playerbase.



I don't know how my words could leave such impression. I've had my time of 0.0 hardships, and currently I frequent lows and nulls (in fact, I'm not far from Stain right now) from time to time. Don't remember I've complained about camps and lack of comfort here before.
What I've been trying to say (well, probably as a person that founds no significant joy in market activities) that such highly repetitive, monotonous activities should be facilitated by means of game mechanics. So, for example, you wouln't need to sell each stack of same item one after another, but first could stack them up, and sell this full stack at once. Or even bulk sell stacks of completely different items, like new feature CCP have promised recently. Especially in 20th thoundand century, if you've already tried to aproach it from the point of realism. In such age of higly advanced technology when we have a united marketplace spanning the whole region of space, trade blockade should be initiated by a couple of key strokes in fully automated manner. Ofcourse, nothing can stop some irresponsible characters to set their orders through alt proxies, but those who are eager to comply shouldn't be forced to serve each buy/sell order manually spending hours while at it or making their customers wait for them. CCP should have added ability to restrict your market orders/contracts according to standing with potential buyer/seller.

Hey, an EVEtopia. Sounds good on paper. I wouldn't leave my corporation of course,
but I wouldn't mind helping noble pursuits.

If you're cool then it would be good to have you here.

We have somewhat overcome the camping, we did lose a couple of guys, the people who are still here for Hub Zero have my respect and they have adapted to the harsh environment.

I'm going to tell it as it is, there are a few campers who have no problem logging on all day in order to catch you and blops you. I respect that always having to avoid these campers and limiting the isk value of your ship is not everyone's play style.

I don't operate in the systems with stations and I can batleship rat most of the time. When my ratting system is camped I can get into my Daredevil which has 375dps with Void s, it can avoid small gate camps and I generally fly further up the pipe where there will always be an empty system.

I am having a great time as there is lots of cool guys to chat with and we have a real sense of community here. I've accepted that if this is going to get bigger it will be all about taking baby steps all the way to the ultimate goal.

Hope to see you soon.

while HUB zero is a noble idea your motivation behind it is not at all altruistic. If i were to come there it would be for my own reasons and cooperation with other entities would be purely out of convenience and not out wanting to follow your false eutopia

Hello Caleb,

In order for you to know if my motivation behind this is altruistic you would need to know more about me and what I have done in the past.

I have been doing the Hub Zero venture since 2008 and the first time i started this I was putting my ships on the line for the safety of complete strangers. I have lost lots of ships over the years and even given away a large amount of my own money in order to ensure the people joining me were capable and up to the job. I have invested lots of time in showing people how to survive around here and I have been somewhat of a mentor to lots of guys when they were new players. I also used a carrier to bring ships down here for lots of people that wanted to take part in previous Hub Zero attempts, everything was delivered without anything going missing. If this isn't an altruistic attitude then I don't know what is.

While blue'ing the community and coming down here for your own reasons is fine and dandy, I'd still have to ask you why you would want to come if I am saying teamwork is a large part of this? Teamwork is clearly not something you want to do. You must respect that I have done lots of work which has given me an insight into the way campers and reds around here operate, based on this I have devised a way of operating under the radar and earning large amounts of isk in a team environment.

I'd like to be clear on the ideal scenario which is players coming down here and investing a small amount of their time adhering to my policies. If this is done then the venture will proceed as I have envisioned it.

Recently I have gotten the feeling that lots of people are not really sure what Hub Zero is about, I would ask people to see if they are open to following my policies before they commit to coming here. As I said it is fine if you want to come here and do your own thing but please be advised the enemies are very crafty and I wouldn't want to see you be camped to such an extent where you simply stay docked and eventually leave.

This is not a false eutopia, it is in fact very real if you are open to listening.

There is now going to be a covert mining ship. I wonder if it's going to have +2 warp strength like the venture (Oh the tears if it is).

WTB - some ships