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Wardecs Need Changes

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#181 - 2014-05-16 13:27:26 UTC
Interesting idea indeed.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#182 - 2014-05-16 16:17:47 UTC
I'm pretty big on carebears dying, but I don't understand why people think that spending a whopping 50 million should be some inescapable open-season on any hisec dude with the temerity to leave an NPC Corp.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#183 - 2014-05-16 16:36:06 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
I'm pretty big on carebears dying, but I don't understand why people think that spending a whopping 50 million should be some inescapable open-season on any hisec dude with the temerity to leave an NPC Corp.

...while ganking people in a burn-Jita open-season is ok. Ganking unsuspecting carebears good, wardecs (that give them a heads-up first), bad. Got it.

F

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2014-05-16 17:03:12 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
I'm pretty big on carebears dying, but I don't understand why people think that spending a whopping 50 million should be some inescapable open-season on any hisec dude with the temerity to leave an NPC Corp.

...while ganking people in a burn-Jita open-season is ok. Ganking unsuspecting carebears good, wardecs (that give them a heads-up first), bad. Got it.

F



I've already said that I don't have a problem with carebears dying. I just don't expect the game to hold my hand through violent crime or force other players to lay themselves out on a platter for me.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#185 - 2014-05-16 17:12:06 UTC
I don't give a flying crap about people leaving corporations after I declare war on them. Generally speaking causing members of a corporation to leave is a pretty good outcome in my book.

The annoying thing is the 1/2 man corps disbanding and then instantly reforming for virtually no cost.
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#186 - 2014-05-16 17:39:04 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I don't give a flying crap about people leaving corporations after I declare war on them. Generally speaking causing members of a corporation to leave is a pretty good outcome in my book.

The annoying thing is the 1/2 man corps disbanding and then instantly reforming for virtually no cost.


So your in it for the tears, yet here are your tears about them reforming a new corp.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#187 - 2014-05-16 17:43:43 UTC
Err, sure?
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#188 - 2014-05-16 17:45:46 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Err, sure?


Its ok to cry, let it out you will feel better Smile
Organic Lager
Drinking Buddies
#189 - 2014-05-16 17:57:36 UTC
Silky Cyno wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I don't give a flying crap about people leaving corporations after I declare war on them. Generally speaking causing members of a corporation to leave is a pretty good outcome in my book.

The annoying thing is the 1/2 man corps disbanding and then instantly reforming for virtually no cost.


So your in it for the tears, yet here are your tears about them reforming a new corp.


What? He's the only one here not in it for the tears but the total destruction of his enemies. Also the only who seems to be correctly using the feature. Everyone else is just looking for a free pass to gank and collect tears
Abla Tive
#190 - 2014-05-16 18:54:10 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:

What do you usually do in EVE when you're not decced?


I mostly run L4 missions.
I mine in high sec if I want to build something
(minerals I mine myself are *better* than free, they are *my* minerals)
I enjoy flying ships that I have built myself.

Sometimes I mine in a corporate mining event to be sociable.

I invent my own T2 ammo, similarly with T2 mods.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#191 - 2014-05-16 18:55:26 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
I'm pretty big on carebears dying, but I don't understand why people think that spending a whopping 50 million should be some inescapable open-season on any hisec dude with the temerity to leave an NPC Corp.

...while ganking people in a burn-Jita open-season is ok. Ganking unsuspecting carebears good, wardecs (that give them a heads-up first), bad. Got it.

F



I've already said that I don't have a problem with carebears dying. I just don't expect the game to hold my hand through violent crime or force other players to lay themselves out on a platter for me.


Putting in a fix for dec dodging would very likely warrant a price increase in dec costs.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#192 - 2014-05-16 19:08:17 UTC
Right now Wardecs are in a pretty dumb place. They're trivially easy to avoid, which ends up serving as a necessary counterbalance to the fact that anyone can place one on anyone else whenever they want. It's a totally arbitrary mechanic that also forces wardecs to be impotent because of how easily any meaning they had could be abused.

I would be fine with the act of declaring war carrying some weight, but to do that it has to stem from a reason other than "I would like to blow up your Orca/Marauder".
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#193 - 2014-05-16 19:09:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
I'm pretty big on carebears dying, but I don't understand why people think that spending a whopping 50 million should be some inescapable open-season on any hisec dude with the temerity to leave an NPC Corp.

...while ganking people in a burn-Jita open-season is ok. Ganking unsuspecting carebears good, wardecs (that give them a heads-up first), bad. Got it.

F


I've already said that I don't have a problem with carebears dying. I just don't expect the game to hold my hand through violent crime or force other players to lay themselves out on a platter for me.

Putting in a fix for dec dodging would very likely warrant a price increase in dec costs.

This was already done in the crimewatch-era round of nerfs though, including an additional nerf vs. aggressors by opening up unlimited numbers of allies to come to the aid of defenders...

If the wardec mechanic is to exist at all it should be meaningful, and it can't be meaningful (IMHO) if someone can simply dodge it by dropping corp. A balanced approach is to at least have a form of temporary stasis on people dropping corp under dec, or having said person carry the war with them on an individual basis until its normal expiry... Wardec mechanics exist already, I am not debating their existence, I am questioning the existence of an exploit allowing people to dodge them completely.

F

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Abla Tive
#194 - 2014-05-16 20:47:31 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

If the wardec mechanic is to exist at all it should be meaningful, and it can't be meaningful (IMHO) if someone can simply dodge it by dropping corp. A balanced approach is to at least have a form of temporary stasis on people dropping corp under dec, or having said person carry the war with them on an individual basis until its normal expiry... Wardec mechanics exist already, I am not debating their existence, I am questioning the existence of an exploit allowing people to dodge them completely.


So, then I should be forced to log on and undock when decced?
Cause not undocking or even not logging in is how I completely dodge war decs.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#195 - 2014-05-16 20:57:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
I'm pretty big on carebears dying, but I don't understand why people think that spending a whopping 50 million should be some inescapable open-season on any hisec dude with the temerity to leave an NPC Corp.

...while ganking people in a burn-Jita open-season is ok. Ganking unsuspecting carebears good, wardecs (that give them a heads-up first), bad. Got it.

F



I've already said that I don't have a problem with carebears dying. I just don't expect the game to hold my hand through violent crime or force other players to lay themselves out on a platter for me.


Putting in a fix for dec dodging would very likely warrant a price increase in dec costs.


Balancing by cost is stupid, in all part of EVE, not only ships.Stop deccing people with nothing at all to lose from elaving corp and your target might not all run away. More corp should end up with valuable stuff to protect soon so you will have more target who might not run away. This is effectively a "buff" to wardecs.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#196 - 2014-05-16 21:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
More like a buff to farming tears tbh



Edit:

In other news, wardecs serve no purpose because nothing is ever gained or lost. Childish tear farming should not be a legitimate game feature, just as penalty free care-bearing in an open world simulator should not be either.


Thus both sides of this argument are broken and you are all idiots (except for maybe Voyager Arran which is weird for a goon guy). More news at 11:00.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#197 - 2014-05-16 23:24:16 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

Balancing by cost is stupid, in all part of EVE, not only ships.Stop deccing people with nothing at all to lose from elaving corp and your target might not all run away. More corp should end up with valuable stuff to protect soon so you will have more target who might not run away. This is effectively a "buff" to wardecs.


Or we just make it so they always have something to lose.

Easy as that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#198 - 2014-05-16 23:50:49 UTC
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Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#199 - 2014-05-17 02:34:17 UTC
Wardecs only need 1 or 2 changes:

A neutral character giving remote assistance to a pilot who is at war should get a criminal flag instead of a suspect flag.

Same deal with neutral OGBs. It should be a criminal offence to provide gang links to any pilot who is at war with an entity that you are not at war with yourself.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
#200 - 2014-05-17 03:19:18 UTC
I got a bad idea... Why not get rid of war decs and all player corps can shoot at all other player corps with no concord intervention... Permanent war risk for all player corps... That is so horrible it might go full circle and be interesting.

Is that my two cents or yours?