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Does the K-Space location of a wormhole have any effect?
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#1 - 2014-05-16 04:29:54 UTC
Does the K-Space location of a wormhole have any bearing on where you might come out in null when using wormholes for travel? I am asking because I am tired of ending up in Wicked Creek every freakin time I have used wormholes this week. 5 for 5 in 4 days doesn't seem very random.


Thanks!
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#2 - 2014-05-16 05:06:57 UTC
Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts?
Nightingale Actault
Borderland Dynamics
#3 - 2014-05-16 05:15:46 UTC
Are you specifically asking about K-K holes? If so, most WH dwellers are scanning chains from inside WH systems, not in K-Space.

From my extremely limited experience, these connections are just as likely to drop you somewhere close as they are somewhere far away.
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#4 - 2014-05-16 05:22:36 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts?

Confirming the service around here is atrocious.

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AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#5 - 2014-05-16 05:35:40 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts?


Well you're not going to get an answer to a half-complete question.

Where are you travelling from? W-Space?

K-space connections should have random destinations, and because of their randomness it can feel like they are not random because we only tend to notice the places we don't want to be rather than the places we do.

On a more important note I have a new coat. Thanks Proc. Blink

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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#6 - 2014-05-16 05:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrison Tato
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts?


Well you're not going to get an answer to a half-complete question.

Where are you travelling from? W-Space?

K-space connections should have random destinations, and because of their randomness it can feel like they are not random because we only tend to notice the places we don't want to be rather than the places we do.

On a more important note I have a new coat. Thanks Proc. Blink



Sorry. I run data and relic sites every day from high sec using wormholes to get to null sec where the sites are. I am just wondering if my location in High Sec where I enter a wormhole has any effect on where I will end up when I eventually find a wormhole in the chain that exits wormhole space into null.

Your answer is what I figured was true. Sweet coat. Thanks again.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#7 - 2014-05-16 05:42:28 UTC
Shelby Dusette wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts?

Confirming the service around here is atrocious.



It's hard to find good help these days.
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#8 - 2014-05-16 05:53:33 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Shelby Dusette wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts?

Confirming the service around here is atrocious.



It's hard to find good help these days.

Tell me about it sir.

Since my sisters both moved away to join Rolled Out and fight the good fights I've had to supervise everything myself back home with almost no help. Can you imagine what that's like for an average New Eden teenager? And I mean everything, from fueling our towers, cooking my own food, to waxing my legs and bikini line. I dunno about you sir but I'm no contortionist. Straight

AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:
On a more important note I have a new coat. Thanks Proc. Blink

Oh that Mister Diadochu. So dreamy and charitable?

... *sigh*

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-05-16 06:33:29 UTC
random

adjective
1.
proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.
2.
Statistics. of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen.
3.
Building Trades.
a.
(of building materials) lacking uniformity of dimensions: random shingles.
b.
(of ashlar) laid without continuous courses.
c.
constructed or applied without regularity: random bond.
4.
Informal.
a.
unknown, unidentified, or out of place: A couple of random guys showed up at the party.
b.
odd and unpredictable in an amusing way: my totally random life.

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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#10 - 2014-05-16 06:38:41 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
random

adjective
1.
proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.
2.
Statistics. of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen.
3.
Building Trades.
a.
(of building materials) lacking uniformity of dimensions: random shingles.
b.
(of ashlar) laid without continuous courses.
c.
constructed or applied without regularity: random bond.
4.
Informal.
a.
unknown, unidentified, or out of place: A couple of random guys showed up at the party.
b.
odd and unpredictable in an amusing way: my totally random life.



Thanks ! I guess I should buy a lotto ticket then!
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#11 - 2014-05-16 08:25:54 UTC
Well, you can tell where the wh leads by its color, if that is what you meant. Other than that, I don't know of any effects that leads you to a certain system or region.

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#12 - 2014-05-16 08:39:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
No it doesn't.

I'm almost entirely sure that wormhole spawning is completely random. The data I've collected from chain rolling pretty much suggests it's random. In my experience rolling C5-C5 wormholes, the only thing I can say is that I'm 98% sure it's random, and if it's not random, then at least for C5-C5 wormholes, of the 6 possible regions you can roll into, there is one region that is favored more by about 10%, and one region that is disfavored by about 10%. I'm inclined to believe this is just not really a pattern though and just an artifact. I don't have nearly enough data to make such a broad statement.

And that's if you assume that any non-randomness is based around which region the wormhole is in. It's pretty far-fetched overall and tbh I've given up trying to figure it out because it takes a lot of effort and I cbf.

Edit: If anybody actually cares, here are graphs from one set of rolls I have recorded ~320 rolls in total from Region 25 in a C5-C5 wormhole.

http://imgur.com/CQZCxH0

Only reason I would possibly believe that data is significant (it's really not since the sample size is way too low), is that you never see the error in the R28 and R24 systems cross the 0% line after the initial start. Frankly I'm not a stats guy though so I have no idea how to interpret this properly, I can't even remember what chi-squared is or why i did that plot, I probably just looked it up on wikipedia and plotted it for whatever reason.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#13 - 2014-05-16 09:05:37 UTC
in fairness, we have lived in wormholes now just over 5 weeks. we have noticed that we get drone region nullsecs a LOT and the rest are only on and off wormholes that we sometimes get.. dont know why!
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#14 - 2014-05-16 09:09:11 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
in fairness, we have lived in wormholes now just over 5 weeks. we have noticed that we get drone region nullsecs a LOT and the rest are only on and off wormholes that we sometimes get.. dont know why!


I don't know the exact numbers, but drone regions make up I believe around half of all the nullsec systems in Eve? Even if not half (I don't know the numbers again), they do make up a disproportionately larger part of nullsec than other regions. You shouldn't be surprised, this is pretty much par for the course.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#15 - 2014-05-16 15:00:40 UTC
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. Big smile
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-05-16 15:08:30 UTC
As far as I know, WH's have always been random. What people are noticing (I think Angsty talked about +/-10% favour for two regions) is more related to probability than randomness. Though the probability of Molden Heath 5 holes in a row may be low, hitting it doesn't rule out the randomness of the holes.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-05-16 15:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Harrison Tato wrote:
Does the K-Space location of a wormhole have any bearing on where you might come out in null when using wormholes for travel? I am asking because I am tired of ending up in Wicked Creek every freakin time I have used wormholes this week. 5 for 5 in 4 days doesn't seem very random.


Thanks!


No, your starting location in highsec is irrelevant but there is something else at play here - not all nullspace areas are the same size.

So you are twice as likely to end up in wicked creek (80 systems) than to end up in cloud ring (40 systems).

Similarly not all NPC areas have quite the same distribution so you are more likely to end up in certain areas than in others (this can affect exploration). I forget the stats for null but they are out there somewhere.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#18 - 2014-05-16 15:24:59 UTC
Thanks again all. I ended up in Fountain last night. Thank the maker :)
Meytal
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-05-16 18:38:14 UTC
My corp has lived in two systems since I've been a member, so well over three years now. I have actually noticed some differences with our hisec static: the previous home never opened to Solitude, and the current one has opened there at least 3-4 times now.

While I do admit that I'm not on 23.5x7, I also suspect I would have noticed an opening to Solitude in the nearly two years in the previous home. We've only been in current home for maybe a year and a half and have connected multiple times already; my activity times have generally remained consistent. The two systems are in a different W-space region, though both are C2/HS/C4 no effect.

The results are easily shoved into the realm of statistical error, but it still means something to me and does point to something I'd like to figure out how to investigate eventually.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-05-16 19:57:27 UTC
Ya know its hard to even say given that the OP has given very little pertinent information. Are the WH's you are finding k162's?

If so I guess it's possible that lots of peeps in wicked creek have whatever upgrades that are responsible for more WH's, so they get more, and therefore you find the other end more often.
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