EVE General Discussion

Yes, it's convenient. Sorry it's not convenient for you.

Your "I have experience of it" seems to mean "I read patch notes about it at some point".

It is still very easy for small fast ships to steal from the ESS, CCPs changes didn't go nearly far enough. It applies a HIC-point to ships stealing / collecting so that interceptors aren't uniquely immune to all disruption, but the reality of it is that an interceptor can still break that scram and warp faster than someone can warp and land on the ESS when they see someone on it.

It's very much "emergent gameplay" that we have found a way of making interceptors vulnerable to an ESS. Anything else is still able to deal with the rats and steal the loot.

Stop being angry you can't steal from them risk-free and adapt.

Then what exactly is preventing that from happening? Maybe I missed it but have you really clarified that? The placement of the ESS does not prevent the events you seem to be attempting stand up for from happening. The placement of the ESS in an anomaly is just the first attempt at defending it. Besides, local residents do already attempt to catch the visiting party from stealing. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. I really don't see what you could possibly be lobbying for here aside from trying to make it easier to steal from them and thicken your own wallet.


That actually seems what you are trying to do so I made the important parts more noticeable. You are clearly attempting to make thing easier for the visitors to steal. Right now you have to use a ship that either armor tanks or shield tanks to be able to steal from an ESS. What you are proposing is that the unquenchable interceptors be allowed to steal from them with no risk. There is no other reason for this argument. you would be able to steal from an ESS quite easily with a proper ship. I'm guessing you are just lazy and don't want to train up for it.

Here's a solution:

Rats don't aggress pods so you're 100% safe to steal the ESS in one.

No need to thank me.

In fact, most of the time I attempted a raid on an ESS that ended up being in an anomaly, there was already a pod belonging to the defenders ready to click the share button, and it could say there all day long without being attacked. This is another issue with the ESS in anomalies, and I did not really want to focus my point on that, but thanks for pointing it out too.

I actually don't like them at all. I stay out of those systems all together.
Putting it in to an anomaly is a defensive measure and there is nothing stopping you from getting to them. Just tank for it.
I'm starting to think your trolling everyone.

You realize that even the defenders get aggressed by the rats right?

Yes, of course, but they are taking the fire only when they show up, where the attackers are forced to suffer them for the 3mn required to take the loot. Like I already highlighted, currently a defense fleet will just be mopping what the rats did not finish by themselves.
Furthermore, the rats do not attack pods left near the ESS to share the loot...

lol wow

Yeah we definitely don't share the same view. I see the use of the anomalies AS a defensive measure that should put the advantage with the defenders. A defenders job is to find the best way possible to defend. The placing of the ESS in an anomaly is an excellent way to utilize a part of the game as a defensive measure.

Your argument is that using rats to your advantage is wrong and that, even though CCP has never stated it was bad, you think it is and it should be changed. Just for you.

From about a few seconds of research, it looks like you haven't even been past low sec and had nothing but losses. You have no history of being involved with any other corp than the State War Academy. Just how exactly do you have experience with ESS? Are you just too embarrassed about your whole problem to post with your main?

So thanks for confirming, absolutely, that the problem here is you want to run around solo and have no trouble stealing from them.

Oh, sure, you're trying to dress it up as some top level "unintentional" design elements, but Eve is all about things being used in unintended ways. It's only a problem if there's a balance issue, which there isn't.

First example that comes to mind: Hilmar gave a presentation at fanfest about his early experiences with Eve. He talks about can mining and how it surprised him. See, jet cans were only put in the game because items can't just sit in space within Eve's database, they need to be inside something. They were never intended for mining into, as a consequence to this, his intended progression of mining in eve went out the window, because the players were using completely unrelated tools/the environment to rapidly speed up how quick they could obtain minerals by working in teams using jetcans.

Another example: the design intent of carriers never really considered using them in a spider-tanking formation, leaving them open to be both defensive and offensive. The triage module specifically disables a carriers combat ability when it chooses to be in 'logistics mode.'

Another example: many ships intended to be armour brawlers are used as kiting shield setups in small gang, because the meta favours mobility more than ever.

Another example: Incursions weren't designed to be farmable for days, they were meant to be fought off in a short timeframe. Players choose to keep them around for as long as possible to min/max their income.

Should CCP force incursions to follow their design aims, eliminating 80% of their income? Should CCP force carriers to choose a role? Should CCP re-name jetcans to "OMG no ore in these what are you guys doing"? Should CCP disallow shield extenders on a Brutix?

CCP are making a sandbox game. Their goal is to give people sand and see what they do with it. For as much as possible, they don't then run around going "no no no I wanted you to build a castle what is this a windmill god you players are the worst".
No, and neither should they.

To setup an ESS in an anom takes several minutes of buggering around every day, and can be undone by a single person in much less time. To work around it as a defensive measure, requires only a very small amount of ingenuity/creative thinking.

I think basically the tl;dr of this thread, is that you have failed the only test an Eve player needs to pass: the ability to adapt.