Ships & Modules

Incorrect on both accounts. Your problem is that you have brought some irrelevant notion of “griefing” in from some other silly game that has nothing to do with EVE.

So, indeed, L2EVE: it's not what you think it is. Griefing gets you banned around here.

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It's more about people with negative sec status sneaking ships in via an orca...or rather them poding around and then getting a ship.

The other method lets said orca scoop pew pew ship into a bay and now you can't esplode it because it's in said bay and under a neutral "3rd party".

I say we allow it, but like logi that orca gets to be shot as well. No more neutral BS.

Also yeah it is kinda BS that you can't scan corp hangars on an orca....And why is it called an orca anyway? God damned killer whale! Should have named it the humpback or something.

That's the real outrage in all this I tell you!

Ninja salvaging, bumping, suicide ganking, awoxing, reverse awoxing, infiltration, stealing, pirating, scamming, wardecking for ransom, ransoming ships and not honoring it... I thought this was related to the word griefing no?

"A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game that deliberately irritates and harasses other players." -wiki

...White knights are the most sick people in EvE.

This wrong, the Orca should be able to scoop in ships!

mwahaha - I especially love the part where even if you do gank an orca at random it still drops nada - even if the whole bay was filled with trillions of isk worth of plexes

that's like griefing the gankers :).

Although I suppose they do get to see what's on the inside once the killmail is posted - LOL

Those threads are from the September patch. Why is this even an issue anymore?

That said, from what I understand this change only affects hotswapping ships in a ship maintenance array while under an aggression timer. It does not prevent a player from boarding a ship which is already in space. So while you cannot instantly board a ship in an SMA and store the ship you were currently flying, for example swapping from a Velator to a Tengu stored in an Orca's SMA, you can still jettison the stored ship and board it from space.

The downside, of course, is that (1) you sacrifice the "bait" ship and (2) that you cannot board a locked ship. On the other hand, what are the odds that someone in a PvE ship will know that? Considering that folk are still managing to bait missioners quite successfully, I'm not sure why this thread was started, but the pirate tears are delicious.

Here is my problem with it:

It is making getting into a new ship to fight with a needlessly clunky process, simply because of latency.
As I said, I don't care if the bait ship has to stay outside in space, due to aggression rules.

The correct solution is to allow people to BOARD a ship directly from the Maintenence bay - but force the 'evacuated' ship to stay outside until aggression is over. (This used to happen quite frequently in laggy environments, when the 'bait ship' drifts out of range while the switch is taking place.) Shouldn't be hard to fix.

Put it this way:
-You draw aggression from a CNR in a Bait-frigate.
-You neutralize its drones and manage your tank until the Orca arrives on grid.
--Now: The Orca is sitting there, and the CNR is firing away at you.

As you can no longer 'board' the Hurricane from the bay, you are forced to switch clients and eject the Hurricane from the Orca.
Data Packets flow back and forth for a few seconds -and you attempt to board the Hurricane - but the CNR (or an NPC) has already locked it.

-Now what? You can't board it. The Orca can't scoop it. Your BC/T3/whatever is now just sitting in space. Orca pilot theoretically could board it...but that would leave the Orca spinning in space. Why should it be this complex when its my Orca, and the 'board ship' function already exists?

Its kind of a game-breaker for people living up in the frozen north who live with lousy latency - as the mission runner can have the targeted ship locked up and unboardable before it is even is rendered on screen.

If CCP is concerned with 'risk free PVP- via 'removing' a ship from combat via Orca - fair enough. I'm perfectly OK with that.

But crippling of the act of 'boarding' a new ship from an Orca - and leaving it needlessly vulnerable to theft or destruction - simply because an NPC or an MR happens to lock it up - that is just stupid.

TLDR; I can understand preventing players from removing ships from combat via Orca. I don't understand why it should be made stupidly difficult/risky to bring a NEW ship into combat. After all - the new ship is now ALSO committed to the battle.
Fix the 'BOARD SHIP' function as detailed above.

Tears from TEARS, epic.... Well done CCP

As for this Orca "Nerf"




In other words, find some other way in screwing with PVE fit ships and HTFU. Cause we all know that no-one picked on mission-runners before the Orca was in game.

LOL. I pity you - guess the only 'tears' you'll ever collect are the ones that CCP feeds you from the baby bottle.

And don't you worry about HTFU - I've already converted 3 of my Orcas over to the new FOTM:
Mobile Tornado haulers for easy -10 alt ganking. Yeeehaw.

Actually, it's 95% or more of the eve population.

You forgot gankbears. You know, the ones that fear risk just like the mission runner carebears, so they pvp in ways that marginalize the risk.

Station hugging with carriers/neutral RR on standby
Can baiting
Blobbing to the max, running away from any potential engagement that might cause them to lose a ship
Exploits with SMAs