EVE General Discussion

But the whole point of the change is to have skills that make sense and fit into the scheme of other weapon systems afterwards.
Your ideas go against that goal, kinda.

Best solution is refunding CDO for everyone. Side A will stop bickering, Side B will have nothing to bicker about or to bicker with and everyone wins. Characters who have CDO V lose nothing in terms of progression and can spend the 11 days they had to spend on CDO (many of them after reading blog) back. Literary everyone wins in this situation. You can't argue that!

but my suggestion would solve the whole problem and still have every skill connected and required before patch be in synergy after patch, while still having the new skills depend on each their speciality.

if upcoming gurista ship changes take missile dmg bonus from gallente, i hope people won't see it illogical to have Drone Avionics V required for T2 Light and medium, as well each light/medium skill being at IV for each respectable type. =)

so for T2 lights: avionics V, as well light drones IV (probably also drones V though too right?)

and same for mediums.


if we just connect the dots, it could work right? xD

And as before and as CCP have said... It's not wasted SP. You do not loose SP in any case. You already gain accelerated SP no matter what you have trained.

There's not much point to discussing this further. We see it from different perspectives.

You value the fact that noone loses, but gain SP, how much is irrelevant in your oppinion as long as it's a gain. However I value how much I gain/lose from this change compared to other players. Some people get a larger benefit than me because of this change, and that annoys me, especially as I only read the original devblog and not the subsequent discussion, so for a week or so I was training CDO to make sure that I'd benefit fully from the change, I then later found out that come the changes the week I spent training CDO hasn't mattered at all and was essentially wasted as the changes are just around the corner.

Granted if I had trained CDO some 3-6 months ago I wouldn't have felt cheated as I would've had the benefit from the skill for a substantial amount of time, I don't consider 15-30 days a substantial amount however.

Guess we can all agree that we have two camps here regarding this issue and we won't agree no matter how much we discuss it and try to counter each others arguments :)

I'm doing drones at the moment so either way I'm happy, but I do feel that it would be a more elegant solution to reimburse however many SP people have in their CDO at the moment as this skill won't spawn any of the new skills since SDO takes precedence (Unless of course people only have CDO and don't have SDO).

I'm done with this thread, will only be stalking it from now on :)

Loose is a different word to lose, c'mon people ffs!

It is wasted SP. It is obviously wasted SP so you should stop saying that it's not.

If you trained CDO V very recently (it could have been before the dev blog too), it doesn't take a genius to see that the time you spent was wasted if you already had SDO V. Yes, you potentially got some incredibly minor benefit, but the time was wasted. This is completely obvious. Anyone who knows what they know now would not have trained it.

Now, what you say just makes PLEX a kind of lottery ticket, where you pick the numbers. You pay to train skills to advance your character in relation to everyone else who does not train that specific skill you do (consider using plex for dual character training). But next week, it might turn out that the skill you trained is given to others for free, and so your money was wasted. This would be bad for the game. Period.

Is it not clear that applied to the extremes this is clearly wrong? This is hardly an extreme case, but the principle of the matter is the same and it's obviously enough to matter to some people.

That whole discussion would not happen, if CCP just continues to use the "unallocated skillpoints" approach.

Remove or split a current skill -> take the SP of the former skill, move them to the pool of unallocated SP and let the player decide where he/she wants to apply them (in the replacement skill / in one of the replacement skills / in a completely unrelated skill). Nobody would gain anything and nobody would lose anything in comparison to other players.

I asked for hat when the whole destroyer and command ship skill issue came up, but obviously the calls for tons of free SP were louder.

Correct. I think that promise of CCP is silly anyway. If the skill is so important said person can train for it like anybody else did before and everybody else (new pilot) has to do so in the future.

You'd expect more from people considering that this is EVE, right?