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How big is EVE?

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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#21 - 2014-05-16 09:35:15 UTC
Shindad Kal wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.

Assuming you didn't warp, as you said, and your shuttle goes around 600m/s (no, it's not the fastest ship you can fly), it would take roughly 65 million years* to go from one end to the other.

*I reserve the right to have failed misserably at math.

Holy Hell! 65 million years? I definitely did not not expect that big a number...and I am definitely not going to attempt this stunt!


Its also actually impossible without using stargates as you can't just pass from 1 system to another without a session change :)
Alexei Stryker
Council of Stellar Erections
#22 - 2014-05-16 09:48:23 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.

Wow thats really really small.

The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.


The eve star systems known to us is just a tiny fraction of a galaxy. 7500+ system is not much. The starmap also is not showing if eve is a spiral with 2 or 3 or four arms. Or is eve just a small satellite galaxy?
Maybe CCP should make a full galaxy map of eve :)

I am also missing binary systems, pulsars, blackholes and habitable moons. And many many many other things
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#23 - 2014-05-16 09:48:49 UTC
EvE is very very small. 130 lightyears should about the average distance between systems. Not the span of a 'galaxy'.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#24 - 2014-05-16 10:20:49 UTC
The slower your ship, the bigger Eve is.

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CCP Falcon
#25 - 2014-05-16 10:38:22 UTC
New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.

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#26 - 2014-05-16 10:55:55 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.

Blink


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Yay hardcore dev spelling correction! :D

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Alexei Stryker
Council of Stellar Erections
#27 - 2014-05-16 11:05:01 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.

Blink



how can people with such an advanced technology not know that? Even we know if we are part of a galaxy or not.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#28 - 2014-05-16 11:14:57 UTC
Almost as big as the egos of the people who play it Big smile

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Sabriz Adoudel
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#29 - 2014-05-16 12:31:00 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.

Blink





Do such clusters exist outside galaxies? I know that individual stars escape galaxies due to being slingshotted out by supermassive black holes, but an event like that would not leave a cluster of stars intact (much less leave their planets)

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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#30 - 2014-05-16 12:36:13 UTC
Cypherous wrote:

Its also actually impossible without using stargates as you can't just pass from 1 system to another without a session change :)

Well if you want to talk about game mechanics, no one could answer my question so far if its even possible to reach another point in a system without warping (and thus triggering a grid change).
For example slowboating from one planet to another and waiting a long time.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-05-16 12:38:10 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.

Wow thats really really small.

The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.



And your point? Did eve map ever looked like a galaxy to you?

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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2014-05-16 14:05:09 UTC
That its a really really small area of space
No reason to get all defensive everytime you hear the word small dude Blink
Minty Aroma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-05-16 14:16:05 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.

Wow thats really really small.

The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.


But the Milky Way has 100s of billions of stars. That would take wayyyyyyy to long to program!
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#34 - 2014-05-16 14:18:02 UTC
Yeah, but even with this "few" systems Eve imho feels a lot bigger
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2014-05-16 14:27:57 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.

Blink





Do such clusters exist outside galaxies? I know that individual stars escape galaxies due to being slingshotted out by supermassive black holes, but an event like that would not leave a cluster of stars intact (much less leave their planets)


We have several Globular Clusters around our own Galaxy.
Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#36 - 2014-05-16 15:20:42 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Well if you want to talk about game mechanics, no one could answer my question so far if its even possible to reach another point in a system without warping (and thus triggering a grid change).
For example slowboating from one planet to another and waiting a long time.

This is entirely possible. Grid change is different than session change. For example, if you undock your ship and point it in a random direction, eventually the security guns/other people around the station will disappear from your overview. Similarly, if you turn around, eventually they would show up again. This works for anything within a system, it's only moving between systems that requires a session change.
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2014-05-16 15:22:40 UTC
Minty Aroma wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.

Wow thats really really small.

The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.


But the Milky Way has 100s of billions of stars. That would take wayyyyyyy to long to program!

Not to mention with the small amount of players we have, how would we ever fill any of it?
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-05-16 15:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
CCP Falcon wrote:
New Eden isn't a galaxy, it's a dense cluster of starts that may or may not be part of a galaxy.

Blink



I always figured with that kind of density AND all the dust clouds and nebulae, it's probably a young (and huge) stellar nursery.

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Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-05-16 16:19:18 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
The thread Doc linked estimated 130 ly.

Wow thats really really small.

The milky way galaxy has a diameter of something above 100k light years with the nearest star to our sun being something about 4 light years away if I remember correctly. So if everything in eve fits into a 130 light year diameter that would fit into a tiny fraction of our galaxy.

Eve takes place in a star cluster in a larger galaxy. Most galaxies have more than 5000 stars.

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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#40 - 2014-05-16 18:15:16 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Well if you want to talk about game mechanics, no one could answer my question so far if its even possible to reach another point in a system without warping (and thus triggering a grid change).
For example slowboating from one planet to another and waiting a long time.

This is entirely possible. Grid change is different than session change. For example, if you undock your ship and point it in a random direction, eventually the security guns/other people around the station will disappear from your overview. Similarly, if you turn around, eventually they would show up again. This works for anything within a system, it's only moving between systems that requires a session change.

Unfortunatly the explanation you provided doesn't prove the point. It may work that way or just just continue flying through empty space even if you flew in the right direction and have passed the right distance, because maybe loading the other enviornment (for example the planet you want to reach) is only triggered by warping.
As long as no one proves this by trying out only the devs can answer this, but they don't seem to want to Sad
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