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Just tried some quick stuff on the new version that was released just now.

Have to say it seems MUCH better.

Will post feedback after some testing.

Ok, now with this update it got better, the old-style mouseover info on brackets is back.

However, now, since the new system does not rearrange existing brackets into a list, when you mouse over a pack of brackets it's hard to point at the right one, as they are still all close together. This is made worse by the fact that each time you jump from one bracket to another, the new tooltip-style list gets redrawn. In practice this leads to you hovering over a swarm of brackets, then moving mouse over to the list of objects to pick the exact one you need. However, as you move your mouse, you pass over some other bracket, and the list gets redrawn, reappearing slightly higher now (as if it was running away from the cursor) and often contains a slightly different selection of brackets in it. This can quickly happen several times during just one attempt to interact with the list.

I think the best solution to this problem would be to, instead of replacing the old system, upgrade the old system so that the bracket lists generated by it can be of any length and are scrollable, like the lists in new system. This way we would retain the advantages of the old system, while solving the problem that it had with clustered brackets.

Other problems that still aren't addressed:
- Item tooltips in inventory still cover the inventory window they are summoned from
- On Starmap it's still impossible to center on a star by clicking on it, if that star has an active tooltip

Also, the patchnotes say that when you hover over an object's name in the overview, the tooltip shows the object's full name. However, for stations it shows station type instead of its full name.

The neocom tool tips are fine.
The overview tools tips are almost entirely contentless.
The in space tooltips have potential, but should be disabled immediately as they are terrible for actually playing the game. Reenable them when they are fixed.

http://puu.sh/8OopF/121e3b0783.jpg The overview already says this, I just have the name column small.
http://puu.sh/8OoLG/2927ab2028.jpg Why is the tooltip for something blocking off the actual overview?
http://puu.sh/8OoH8/a2b9fc7a5b.jpg It would be nice if I could lock up this blue so I could rep him before he dies to drones.

The overview tooltips should just expand the cell you are hovering over, or give additional, useful, information. Not "Here is the name of the station that you already see

Also, why would a noob think that the tooltip for the icon on the overview gives different information than the tooltip anywhere else on the line? Thats not intuitive.

http://puu.sh/8OoZ2/859dd7e28c.jpg vs http://puu.sh/8OoWR/bc746aed71.jpg Why is a tooltip that contains non-column dependent information, column-dependent in being displayed?

My dream for the tooltips would be to allow us XML markup to decide what information to display, much like the overview.

Hello everyone,

A patch was just deployed which should address a number of issues raised in this thread. For details please read here:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-rubicon-1.4

You can expect future updates which continue to tweak and fix the tooltips based on your feedback.

the in space list box being a bit transperant is better but it still covers a large area and i cant click on things behind it like ships or doubleclicking in space to manual pilot. The old version had a list too but there it was totally transperant and i had to click on the icon of a item to interact with it, so there was a lot less space being taken up. I understand that you made this box solid and black to help players looking at things towards the sun, but i would still like to make that choice myself by controlling the transperancy.

What is wrong with the unified inventory, jump animation or odyssey exploration?
We already have a million windows all over the place, why would you want more inventory windows open when one it's enough?
Or what is wrong with the jump animation? It's just a visual improved loading bar :)
Now, you could argue about the loot spew ... but .. because most EVE players are not as good as they believe they are i understand why they want the bacon right away...

But yes, i agree... an on/off switch or a checkbox don't display this type again for tooltips would be nice to have.

So 40 pages later you guys, videogames professionals with long and deep experiece, don't realize there are two main problems with your new and wonderful tooltips. I'm in no way an expert in videogames but I've read this thread with interest, in a comprehensive way. I have a strong customer service background and reading this post/playing the game (things that devs seem to haven't done) drive me to two main conclussions:

-Most eve players* who undock and fly ships with weapons and blabla don't like this http://i.imgur.com/mik0Mw4.jpg
-Most eve players* don't wanna see a freakin pop up saying the orbit button is the orbit button, because they know it. Why they know it? because they've been playing the game and supporting the game for years.

*Eve players: people who play the game and pay your wages/support your company this way.

If you set above your work to cusomers' opinion, you're clearly wrong. Indeed, you consider some posts in this thread aggressive or disrespectful but nothing is most disrespectful than ignoring the opinion of most of your customers, that's pure aggression. It's aggressive to everything that represent being a customer, and being asked by the people you work for x and answering z is also disrespectful=aggressive. Because, yes, you work for the players, the CEO or the Finance Director are paying your salary with people's you're ignoring money.

Your approach to this problem, problem that you generated btw, really reminds me of how the zero-class politicians we have in southern europe, and you yourselves suffered in Iceland, twist reality to never amend what they've done wrong.

simple:

unified inventory: there are still issues with some window not retaining there status and/or position
one is enought for you, i get that, but not for me, i have to manage ships, with their cargo/fuel/drones + various corp hangars section + various cargos + my own items......i used to have a good layout with all the most used one open, making it simple to drag'n'drops from one another, this is no longer possible, i need to open them individually every single time i'm back in station... this is painfull and BAD UI experience

jump animation is beautiful, but it induce dizziness, for some it even trigger epileptic events.
plus it is laggy, even when using a good computer (i have i7 2600k @ 4.2 / SSD / 16GB ram / Xfire r9 280x and it STILL does lag often on this crap animation). players just want it to be optionnal even if it is ON by default, to overcome those various issues

exploration: it's crap, and i, like many other, have now 2 toons useless with wasted month of SP
to make it worse, the overlay is STILL ******* showing even when it is set to OFF when i enter space (new system / undock etc...)

all we want are options.

when the explo overlay is OFF, it shall not show at all
give us an option for the jump animation, some like it, fine, but for some, it simply prevent them to even PLAY
tooltips: make AT LEAST the in-space one optionnal, no amount of rework will make them NOT disrupting

we just want OPTIONS, but it seems it is too much to ask....

You can click on the overview, and you get the full name.

Before when hovering over celestials that just overlapped, the celestial that was closest to your pointer would be closest in the list. Thereby making it faster and easier to follow someone warping away.
http://puu.sh/8Or9R.jpg This is a easy example since theres no no long tail of celestials to the right of planet 4 which im hovering my pointer, But if there was which there is in a lot of systems i would have no idea that im infact hovering over planet 4 and would have to click it and move my eyes to selected window to see which one it is and then move my eyes back to the list and decide if i want to warp to planet, poco or a moon.

This is directly making the game harder and less intuitive for anyone wanting to do pvp and wanting to use your new warp changes to their fullest by making split second decisions.