EVE General Discussion

And in no case did you loose out on training time, and in no case do you loose SP. You keep all abilities you trained for and after the change it will take you longer to train for them than it did before. You have not 'lost' anything.

What would be really annoying is if they suddenly GAVE the CDO people a refund with no notice.... because I could have trained CDO with its memory/perception requisites on my alts and then allocated those SP to something that doesn't match my skill mapping and picked up an extra day or more in training time :D

Basically CDO is "cheap" to train as perception tends to be bumped in remaps. Thsi means people can train for CDO on the cheap and then allocate those SP to something that is say Charisma based and gain an advantage over people that did not train it.

It is disappointing that member of our hallowed community cannot seemingly understand, or are unwilling too, each others points of view.

To me I would summarise it like this -

Side A - The skill transition is unfair because the advantage which I spent time skill training for is now being given to others.

Side B - The skill transition is fair because we are getting more free SP and keeping all our previous abilities to use things which we trained to use before (except for the DLA II in edge cases)

Both points of view are quite valid.

I'd be in the Side B area - with our without "free SP". The SP means nothing to me and probably anyone who trained the skills up - newer or not (beyond some envy on gains by others).

You train skills to enable styles of play. They are changing around the skills but these changes will not impact your ability with those styles of play.

The fact some may gain or not gain SP is fairly meaningless vs your abilities to use the tools you had trained for when you are *NOT* losing those abilities - simply shuffling them around.

So some gain more than others? Sorry but that shouldn't be a major concern.

Umm... That's what I'm saying - I don't care if we get free SP but I do find it fair.

Side A finds it unfair. Side B finds it fair due to SP gains.

Because side A is demanding they get more advantage over someone who hasn't trained any of the skills yet simply because they feel they deserve a larger number. Not because they loose any abilities or anything like that. Remember there is side C. The group who haven't trained drones and will be behind regardless.

Side A already is getting more sp for their time. They just want to take their bonus sp they are already getting and make it an even bigger number that they can allocate to any skill for an even larger time advantage.

But side B is getting the most of the SPs and yet the bicker at Side A because they want the same amount as Side B?

Because the SP's are irrelevant, it's keeping the abilities that are the same. Also note that most of the people on side B in the argument actually have the same skills trained as side A.

Unless they leave it at Light Drone 3, but if it only requires lvl 3, it's less than a day training if it's in SDO. And CCP have set a precedent in the past that changes that require only a few hours training won't be compensated with bonus skills, while longer skills will be.
Check on Sisi? Drone changes might be there now

so before i mention a possible solution for everyone, i do like to state i do have both SDO and CDO at V.

so if you are inclined to see my post as bias, it's your right to do so, of course.


what if they almost kept it, as first stated but.

1. change the new Light drones and medium drones T2 version to only require IV in each skill, and Avionics V.

2. if persons with only SDO trained V, will get Avionics to V, while Light and medium will be IV.

3. if persons have both CDO and SDO at V. will get both Avionics, Light, and Medium at V.

4. if person have SDO V, and CDO I - IV, will get Avionics V, have trained % into IV - V in both Light and medium according to the total progress of CDO was.

so if a person has 20% SP of total CDO skill line, they will be 20% into training Lights and mediums V.

so people with CDO IV and SDO V, will after patch have same stats, and yet also have their CDO SP trained included into the new skills progress towards V, and those who have CDO at V, will have them at V as well, while those with no CDO will have a access to T2 drones of light and medium, while having a clean IV of said skills.


could it work? would no one feel cheated?

i don't know but it's a suggestion.

and sorry if already suggested before.