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Clone swapping in W-space!!!

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#21 - 2014-05-16 03:04:11 UTC
>not just carrying multiple sets of implants and destroying your old ones when you want a different set

bloody poors
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-05-16 03:11:31 UTC
Ion Udan wrote:
Jack,
We're not using ISK as the reason for clone swapping. We're wanting to have our clones WITH a variety of implants accessible.

bring spare implants and refit them as required?
it's always a matter of isk.

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Ion Udan
Pulsar.
#23 - 2014-05-16 03:52:03 UTC
Good point Jack.

Such an obviously solution I didn't think of.

So, glorious QEX brother steals potatoes from hisec.

Lenroc Elisav
Lenny'S TAX evasion 101
#24 - 2014-05-16 06:40:50 UTC
This thread went stupid faster then expected P.
Here are some sets and their costs sets&prices.
Can we live w/o implants? Of course we can. Do we want to be artificially limited in that regard? Don't know about you but I don't.

I think it would be nice to be able to fly my saber w/o wearing my slaves set or w/o wasting 1 hour getting in K-space, jumping clones then traveling back. I'm just crazy(and cheap) that way, I know!
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#25 - 2014-05-16 06:57:15 UTC
I am with Mr. Miton on most of this. WE're out in the boonies for a reason and the more we start asking for things that are similar to K-Space the more the Devs can justify iterations FROM K-space.

We don't want that so we have to swallow the fact that we can't have this.

If it's a case of not having enough isk to replace imps then you're doing it wrong and if its a case of not wanting shiny pods on loss mails then destroy your imps before you go out to Null or whatever and replace them when you get back.


Thanks CCP for the overview dumb-down btw. I was always wondering what the thing marked "Planet" was on my overview and now I know because I can hover over it and it says "Planet". Awesome job!!

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Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#26 - 2014-05-16 07:26:12 UTC
This thread is crazy. Why are these so many threads asking that easy mode be brought to wormhole space?

Just go live in kspace.

Wormhole space is supposed to be hard, barren, and harsh. If you can't live with it, get out! Or get alts, or spare implants as Jack has suggested. We have ISK baths often enough that we shouldn't be complaining about these petty things.

Lenroc Elisav wrote:
My dear mister Number you are wrong on both accounts.
First it doesn't make life easier just better


Sorry but last time I checked, making something better on any account meant it was something that is easier by any account.

Can you pass over some of whatever you're smoking please?
Lenroc Elisav
Lenny'S TAX evasion 101
#27 - 2014-05-16 07:50:22 UTC
Senn Denroth wrote:
This thread is crazy. Why are these so many threads asking that easy mode be brought to wormhole space?

Just go live in kspace.

Wormhole space is supposed to be hard, barren, and harsh. If you can't live with it, get out! Or get alts, or spare implants as Jack has suggested. We have ISK baths often enough that we shouldn't be complaining about these petty things.

Lenroc Elisav wrote:
My dear mister Number you are wrong on both accounts.
First it doesn't make life easier just better


Sorry but last time I checked, making something better on any account meant it was something that is easier by any account.

Can you pass over some of whatever you're smoking please?


I'm smoking a logic cigar, you can't have any, sorry, as it may be toxic to you.
Example of something making it easier and not better is the auto update of signatures in scanning window. Pissing away isk just to circumvent a stupid issue is not the way to go. This "If you can't deal with it get out" argument is the most dense argument I ever heard.Of course we need less people in W-space as there are too many of us already in Roll. Maybe CCP should remove ship refitting in W-space just to make it more "hard, barren and harsh" !

Stop acting like a change like this will alter a core mechanic of w-space. It won't, it will only be a quality of life enhancement. You already admit you have alts filling the roles of clones so stop pretending you do this for keeping the W-space lore intact. One can already switch clones, it is just that the process is long, tedious and fun killing.

Some of you are just virtual Amish and that just fine and dandy, just don't expect the rest of us to bread horses at our POSes Cool.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#28 - 2014-05-16 08:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
You guys are such whiners.

You understand that CCP's intention for w-space is a nomadic style existence rather than a plop down and treat it like nullsec without local existence right? It's not their fault you can't handle living without certain luxuries.

The whole point of wormholes is to be a frontier (and while I'll agree it's certainly not at this point, I feel this is due to a lack of iteration of CCP's part on wormholes), and frankly you can't expect to have all of your snuggle blankets with you when you go on a trip to the frontier.

Man the **** up. Maybe you shouldn't be flying with your implants or, instead just accept that you don't need to have the best implants in all the time to fight. It's risk-aversion type behavior that leads to your whining. You are quite literally whining because you won't fly your armor T3's without a full HG slave set, but you also don't want to risk that same set flying a sabre. Why don't you just not fly with the slave set? God forbid you don't have every advantage in the book. Perhaps you should attempt to make up for that advantage with some semblance of skill?

Or barring that, as I said before, just be rich enough to have implants to plug in and out as you wish. It's your own fault you're too poor to do this. There are so many solutions to your problem within the scope of the game. Some of them require more effort, some more money, some more compromises, but this is the nature of the sandbox.

Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution.
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-05-16 08:42:57 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
You guys are such whiners.

You understand that CCP's intention for w-space is a nomadic style existence rather than a plop down and treat it like nullsec without local existence right? It's not their fault you can't handle living without certain luxuries.

The whole point of wormholes is to be a frontier (and while I'll agree it's certainly not at this point, I feel this is due to a lack of iteration of CCP's part on wormholes), and frankly you can't expect to have all of your snuggle blankets with you when you go on a trip to the frontier.

Man the **** up. blablalbalba

Roll Take your own advice will you, you whine even worse about removing NPC kills data.
Lenroc Elisav
Lenny'S TAX evasion 101
#30 - 2014-05-16 08:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lenroc Elisav
Angsty Teenager wrote:
You guys are such whiners.

You understand that CCP's intention for w-space is a nomadic style existence rather than a plop down and treat it like nullsec without local existence right? It's not their fault you can't handle living without certain luxuries.

The whole point of wormholes is to be a frontier (and while I'll agree it's certainly not at this point, I feel this is due to a lack of iteration of CCP's part on wormholes), and frankly you can't expect to have all of your snuggle blankets with you when you go on a trip to the frontier.

Man the **** up. Maybe you shouldn't be flying with your implants or, in just accept that you don't need to have the best implants in all the time to fight. It's risk-aversion type behavior that leads to your whining. You are quite literally whining because you won't fly your armor T3's without a full HG slave set, but you also don't want to risk that same set flying a sabre. Why don't you just not fly with the slave set? God forbid you don't have every advantage in the book. Perhaps you should attempt to make up for that advantage with some semblance of skill?

Or barring that, as I said before, just be rich enough to have implants to plug in and out as you wish. It's your own fault you're too poor to do this. There are so many solutions to your problem within the scope of the game. Some of them require more effort, some more money, some more compromises, but this is the nature of the sandbox.

Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution.


I'm hard pressed to keep my calm under the heap of crap you just unloaded in my thread. What a manly man you are, balls picture or GTFO.



You can already have the advantage by "alt-ing" or switching the boring way. Do I need to write that in capitals to get it through your thick, self-righteous, self back-patting heads???

And what is this skill you are talking about? Is it the skill of running your mouth w/o using your brain or what?

P.S. Of course I don't want to fly my slave set in a saber, it is not risk aversion it is risk awareness, mind you. If you have that much isk to risk a slave set in a saber you must be a care-bear extraordinaire and I don't understand why are you posting here.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#31 - 2014-05-16 08:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Lenroc Elisav wrote:


I'm hard pressed to keep my calm under the heap of crap you just unloaded in my thread. What a manly man you are, balls picture or GTFO.



You can already have the advantage by "alt-ing" or switching the boring way. Do I need to write that in capitals to get it through your thick, self-righteous, self back-patting heads???

And what is this skill you are talking about? Is it the skill of running your mouth w/o using your brain or what?

P.S. Of course I don't want to fly my slave set in a saber, it is not risk aversion it is risk awareness, mind you. If you have that much isk to risk a slave set in a saber you must be a care-bear extraordinaire and I don't understand why are you posting here.


Lel. I'm trying to figure out if I should go with the stock "LOL U MAD" response, or the "LOL YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF, JUST WAIT" response.

What do you think?

Ryann Padecain wrote:
Roll Take your own advice will you, you whine even worse about removing NPC kills data.


It's a little different because here, they are whining to CCP for something to make their lives easier. In the case of NPC kills, I was arguing about it because I don't like how it makes the lives of farmers easier. If you're going to talk about somebody's life being easier, either a farmers, or a gankers, I'd prefer the life of the ganker to be easier. Plus, even if you still consider me a hypocrite here, it does not mean I'm wrong Roll.

I don't care about NPC kills anymore though because I've decided that the influx of farmers will be beneficial to what I do, and the loss of the NPC kill api data can be mitigated through separate data. See the thing is, even if changes happen that I don't like, like they have with NPC kill data, I only argue against it for a little bit and then move on and figure out how to work around it. Unlike OP who will undoubtedly just complain and complain until the game gets changed to his liking instead of adapting.
Lenroc Elisav
Lenny'S TAX evasion 101
#32 - 2014-05-16 08:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lenroc Elisav
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Lenroc Elisav wrote:


I'm hard pressed to keep my calm under the heap of crap you just unloaded in my thread. What a manly man you are, balls picture or GTFO.



You can already have the advantage by "alt-ing" or switching the boring way. Do I need to write that in capitals to get it through your thick, self-righteous, self back-patting heads???

And what is this skill you are talking about? Is it the skill of running your mouth w/o using your brain or what?

P.S. Of course I don't want to fly my slave set in a saber, it is not risk aversion it is risk awareness, mind you. If you have that much isk to risk a slave set in a saber you must be a care-bear extraordinaire and I don't understand why are you posting here.


Lel. I'm trying to figure out if I should go with the stock "LOL U MAD" response, or the "LOL YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF, JUST WAIT" response.

What do you think?


Heh, Stupidity briefly makes me mad. Can't help it sorry! But don't you worry about it, I just keep breathing and everything gets better Blink.

Edited as one stupid reply isn't enough to make a judgement on a person.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#33 - 2014-05-16 09:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Lenroc Elisav wrote:


Heh, stupid people briefly make me mad. Can't help it sorry! But don't you worry about it, I just keep breathing and everything gets better Blink.


Hmm.

I think that it's more apt to say that you are like a morbidly obese guy who has to roll around in his motorized scooter complaining about how he has to stand up to reach the top shelves in the supermarket, and is getting mad at the people who are taking stuff from the top shelves easily because they're standing and have the self-control and intelligence to keep themselves from requiring a mobility scooter to move around.

"How dare they tell me to get in shape!!!!!!"

heh

http://i.imgur.com/f4j91ej.jpg amirite?
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#34 - 2014-05-16 09:02:48 UTC
Angsty has a way about him and whilst not the most diplomatic guy he has a right to an opposing view, as do I and anyone else.
Taking the SSC "This is my thread, agree with me or GTFO but for God's sake don't think I want this actually debated!" approach isn't really going to work or win favour either.
If you an idea discussed then post it and at least look like you are listening to points of view that differ from yours.

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity

Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-05-16 09:12:28 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:

.. are you seriously trying to crawl back explaining me why you were whining? Don't worry about it because I already know, anyway just saying keep that "Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution." to yourself and try to apply it next time before you "dont care anymore didnt want it neways" kind of 8 year old attitude. Blink
Lenroc Elisav
Lenny'S TAX evasion 101
#36 - 2014-05-16 09:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lenroc Elisav
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:
Angsty has a way about him and whilst not the most diplomatic guy he has a right to an opposing view, as do I and anyone else.
Taking the SSC "This is my thread, agree with me or GTFO but for God's sake don't think I want this actually debated!" approach isn't really going to work or win favour either.
If you an idea discussed then post it and at least look like you are listening to points of view that differ from yours.


Well that wasn't really a GTFO it was more a joke on the same note as "T*ts or GTFO" :P. Now, with that explained, I'm willing and eager to listen at argued opposing opinions. But what I got so far is " That's the way it is so adapt or get out". And that is just a statement and has nothing to do with debating. Plus was written in some derogatory tone of a W-space hermit o\.

Meh w/e, if you guys don't like hot water it's your thing. But don't act like I'm wrong for digging it Blink.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#37 - 2014-05-16 09:18:06 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Angsty Teenager wrote:

.. are you seriously trying to crawl back explaining me why you were whining? Don't worry about it because I already know, anyway just saying keep that "Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution." to yourself and try to apply it next time before you "dont care anymore didnt want it neways" kind of 8 year old attitude. Blink


K m8 it's almost like you didn't read what I wrote or understand it, and like I said, it really has no bearing on this discussion. Like I said, even I could be considered a hypocrite, that's a character judgement and does not mean I'm wrong in what I'm saying at all.
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-05-16 09:35:24 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Angsty Teenager wrote:

.. are you seriously trying to crawl back explaining me why you were whining? Don't worry about it because I already know, anyway just saying keep that "Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution." to yourself and try to apply it next time before you "dont care anymore didnt want it neways" kind of 8 year old attitude. Blink


K m8 it's almost like you didn't read what I wrote or understand it, and like I said, it really has no bearing on this discussion. Like I said, even I could be considered a hypocrite, that's a character judgement and does not mean I'm wrong in what I'm saying at all.

Oh I did and I agree with your general point I'm not saying you're wrong at all, just had to laugh at the extreme hypocrisy in your post, and wanted to give you some advice that you should take your own advice.

Anyway it could be a lost cause and that I am wasting my time, "Lel. I'm trying to figure out if I should go with the stock "LOL U MAD" response, or the "LOL YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF, JUST WAIT" response.

What do you think?" isn't really helping you Blink
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#39 - 2014-05-16 09:51:37 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:

Oh I did and I agree with your general point I'm not saying you're wrong at all, just had to laugh at the extreme hypocrisy in your post, and wanted to give you some advice that you should take your own advice.

Anyway it could be a lost cause and that I am wasting my time, "Lel. I'm trying to figure out if I should go with the stock "LOL U MAD" response, or the "LOL YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF, JUST WAIT" response.

What do you think?" isn't really helping you Blink


As long as you understand what I'm saying there is no issue. It's irrelevant to me whether or not I appear a hypocrite, this is the wormhole forums, I do what I want.

And I enjoy it Cool

I think we can all agree that this forum is useless as a discussion medium for any relevant ideas simply because it's not read by the devs, or if it is read, it's not read seriously since all of the recent changes to wormholes specifically (I don't consider POS changes to be specific wormhole changes) indicate a very clear lack of understanding from CCP what wormholes actually are.

So it seems to me that the only other point in posting here is for fun or try to help nerds understand the error in their ways. That's what I do.
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#40 - 2014-05-16 10:02:49 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
You guys are such whiners.

You understand that CCP's intention for w-space is a nomadic style existence rather than a plop down and treat it like nullsec without local existence right? It's not their fault you can't handle living without certain luxuries.

The whole point of wormholes is to be a frontier (and while I'll agree it's certainly not at this point, I feel this is due to a lack of iteration of CCP's part on wormholes), and frankly you can't expect to have all of your snuggle blankets with you when you go on a trip to the frontier.

Man the **** up. Maybe you shouldn't be flying with your implants or, instead just accept that you don't need to have the best implants in all the time to fight. It's risk-aversion type behavior that leads to your whining. You are quite literally whining because you won't fly your armor T3's without a full HG slave set, but you also don't want to risk that same set flying a sabre. Why don't you just not fly with the slave set? God forbid you don't have every advantage in the book. Perhaps you should attempt to make up for that advantage with some semblance of skill?

Or barring that, as I said before, just be rich enough to have implants to plug in and out as you wish. It's your own fault you're too poor to do this. There are so many solutions to your problem within the scope of the game. Some of them require more effort, some more money, some more compromises, but this is the nature of the sandbox.

Learn to play in it. Whining to god (read: CCP) is not the solution.


This man speaks the truth. Sorry babies if you can't handle it.