Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"any corp"?

No, not any corp will force their players to dock up. My alliance won't. If we can't match up numbers, or we can't find war targets, we just go roaming in lowsec for some fun.

Hell, Marmite decced us for damn near six weeks at one time, didn't really bother us much.

So that's just not true. Not everyone is a stupid defenseless sheep.

And as for your last statement. You can't bully the willing. By being in a player corp, they have given their consent to be wardecced. Oh, and shooting people is content creation. Far more than just plugging away at rocks all day, what's more.

I think if you don't want to be wardecced at all, you shouldn't join a player corp and should just stick with NPC corps.

That said, alliances like Marmite who use the wardec mechanic to simply farm isk and kills is ruining the mechanic. I think a declaration of war should be just that: A DECLARATION OF WAR, complete with all the pomp and trumpets and parades. It should be something epic and meaningful, or else it's just some weak-ass mechanic that people use to get around the fact that they don't wanna lose their ships to CONCORD when they kill people in hi sec.

I mean, think about it: WAR DECLARATION. Do those two words resemble ANYTHING that has to do with wardecs in Eve? We might as well call wardecs "Legal Pew" or something, because that's all they are; they are not worthy of the term War Declaration. It has become something trite and insipid.

Chinese Invasion of Vietnam
Sudan vs South Sudan
Operation: Just Cause
Grenada Conflict
The Invasion of Poland

Compared to the above declarations, Wardecs in EvE are practically the height of civilisation

No, WoW is called WoW.

You know the answer,
You just do not like it.

Because big groups are easier targets than small groups

A single aggressor is nearly impossible to engage compared to a 500 man Alliance with industry ships and miners runnign around all over

Lets try it this way, wardecing is like a terrorist attacking america. America can roll in with tanks and fighters and the terrorists (wardecers) will run and hide in there caves. When america gets bored because they can't get any action they leave and return to business as usual. At this point the terrorists crawl back out of their caves and blow up another building and the cycle repeats.

It's not about being defenceless it's about one side having nothing to defend.

The issue isn't wardecs, but people unwilling to group up and fight.

There is no mechanic that can change this issue and forcing players into
wars they don't want to participate in is nonsense. They'll just quit.

What we need is a change of players.
A change in how players learn to play the game.
How they approach it.
How they learn to understand it.

The issue isn't solvable by mechanics,
but by forming the minds of new playera themselves.

Over time the problem will simply cease to exist.
The whole playerscape will change
and the carebearing population will turn into an even smaller minority.


The solution is actually fairly simple.............

Not necessarily fight, but adapt. Some people get wardecced, and they don't watchlist the attackers, don't watch local, don't stay aligned, don't scout. They just don't do anything to protect themselves.

The reality is it's VERY hard to lose a ship in a wardec if you absolutely don't want to. Marmites Dec'd us, and since we could never easily guarantee a fight we had a chance of winning, we evaded them. We still spent our time under that wardec undocked, and even flying through hubs and trade routes and killing our own war targets.

I think your post above showed that you don't like the current mechanics in EvE.

By inventing 2 different versions of EvE, you hope that people conclude that the soft and cuddly EvE would end up with more subscribers.

There are 2 things to that though:

1. It's not up to us as players to overly care how many subscribers the game has at the end of the year. That's CCPs job; and

2. The soft and cuddly EvE would also drive many players away. Players who aren't catered for in all the other soft and cuddly MMOs, because they offer gameplay with little to no challenge. The harshness built into EvE is one of the big attractions of the game for many of the players.

As a result, it's not conclusive either way which would produce more subscribers. It's just as reasonable to conclude that a themepark version of the game would have died long ago and neither version of a fictional scenario has more merit than the other.

In the end though, as a player, all we can do is play according to the mechanics and rules as provided by CCP. If that affects revenue in a way that CCP aren't happy with, then that's their responsibility.

I would hope so, since your alliance KB shows a reasonably active PVP group.

But I see no good reason to fight for players that dislike PVP.

EVE is supposed to be a game that welcomes different playstyles.

I, for one, cannot imagine why anyone would prefer mission running to PVP. I was bored after 2 weeks!

But I don't think that mission runners are inherently bad for the game. If they were, why have PVE content in the first place?

I still don't understand why players in NPC corps or one-man corps get to PVE in highsec with crimewatch/CONCORD help, while players that form a corp don't always have that option.