Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wardecs were created as a means of establishing legal fighting in highsec. Clearly, it was always intended that there be a purpose behind starting a confrontation with someone who is in highsec. Generally, that reason would have some strategic significance behind it, but they can be started for basically any reason. I feel they are being abused by mercs and griefers who have made highsec their home and simply choose to pick on people weaker than themselves. It is rare for mercs to fight each other, making it difficult to even the playing field. That said,I try to separate mercs and griefers, because I believe they are very different from one another. Many mercs are respectable, but some mercs should really fall under the category of griefer.

I feel some simple changes to wardecs would curb abuse with minimal disruption to the vast majority of wardecs:
Increase the cost of wardecs that are renewed each week so that wars cannot go on in perpetuity. (If both parties want a perpetual war, they need simply set the war to mutual.)

When a wardec does end, restrict the aggressor from redeclaring war on the defending party for a specified period of time in order to prevent them from getting around the first point.

Increase the cost of wardecs based on how many active wars an aggressor corp has initiated. (The ones doing the bullying often have hundreds going at any given time.)

I have been part of the merc community in two separate alliances. The first was honorable and made up of people I would come to call my friends, the second was not. In the case of the latter, the executor declared war on so many corps that he cleaned out the corp coffers and sent out a mail asking for donations to the corp so he could declare even more. This is what makes me feel the above would be helpful.

Corps like marmite war deccing everyone they think they can get kills from is neither abuse nor does it "serve no purpose". The war dec mechanics give these corps a reason to exist and provides them with the income source to sustain themselves, I would think it's working entirely as intended. Killing hi seccers solely for ISK is an entirely valid career path

Did not read all... but STORY TIME!!!

Along time ago... around I think Red Moon Rising, there was an alliance formed. This alliance was called "The Privateer Alliance" and lots of war decs were had. They would wardec everyone, and camp the hubs and blow up lots of ships. And money rained and kills rained on them, and the gods smiled at the destruction they wrecked. But the carebears, oh how they wept, and some of the large alliances cried foul, so the gods looked at them and answered the request for change.

Before this time, it cost a whopping 50m a week to war dec. That's it. if you had 5b isk you could war dec 100 entities a week. And if you are poping frighters in jita, getting 5b is not too difficult.

Then behold, CCP said enough, and did what was then called the privateer nerf. They changed it so war dec cost will escalate depending on the number of corps you have war dec'd. Thus nerfing privateers business model. So they shifter to just cycling there decs each week, and eventually all alliances in eve we war deced for a week.

So ccp already fixed war cost, ages ago. It escalates, and if you get allies, that will increase the war dec cost even more the next week.

So.. this idea is already taken of, and not needed. Thus is terrible.

Actually your story is a bit off. They made the war dec cost rise depending on the amount of people in the corp, not the amount of corps you war decced.

Wars have already had a hit with the nerf bat, fees were already greatly increased while also allowing unlimited allies to offer assistance to the defender....

What is actually needed is closing of the existing exploit used to duck wars entirely, where people can just drop corp to evade a war entirely. Wars are 100% consensual today with this exploit, it must be closed.

A one-week stasis period should be immediately implemented, to anyone dropping corp with an active or pending war dec. Either that, or any wars should follow a player to their new corp (while blocked from joining an NPC corp to strip it).

Either way, the current exploit to duck wars should be immediately closed.

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p.s. I almost forgot, +1 added to the Kill-It-Forward queue for Amund Aldent's heresy against HTFU.

I disagree with this, the answer should never be a lock out or force players into doing something they don't want to.

How would you feel if in order to pvp you had to mine in high sec for 5 hours or not play for a week?

War decs are just a one sided way for people to bully missioners in high sec in the name of "pvp", they should be mutual only for those who wish to do high sec pvp like RvB.

Personally i believe the issue is with null/low, pvp objectives should be more interesting so those who enjoy pvp can have an equal challenge. High sec Missions should be nerfed to encourage those who want big payouts out into unsecure space. This gives gankers more targets and allows those who wish to learn to defend themselves an opportunity for greater rewards. High sec should be near absolute protection for those who just want to be left alone.

Either way, the current exploit to duck wars should be immediately closed.

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And then we get to the part where we want players to join and be active in corps, not be forced to leave for a week or two. Worse yet do we want to encourage players to sit in a station and ship spin or simply not log in at all?

They're not forced to do anything.

I mission under a wardec quite frequently. In a faction battleship no less.

So if they want to be active, it's best that we exterminate these corps that force their members to dock up instead of go out and have fun.