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Scammed out of 840million isk (great way to welcome new players)

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Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-05-15 07:18:05 UTC
Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:
So first off I am about a 3 week old Eve player, I decided to get some money with plexes so I could invest in the market of buying and selling, I came across a buy order today that wanted 3 Tuvan Modified Kinetic Plating for 2.5billion isk, I then purchased one for 839million isk. Their were only 4 of them on the market. Then when I attempt to sell it to this person it would not let me sell it. I was stumped thinking it was some sort of ****** up exploit.

Then as I looked into it further I noticed he only accepts 3 at a time not 2.5bill each, yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it. Someone posted in local "to bad I don't have money to buy this, look at the market error (link to item)"

Now all the other buy orders are below 150mill, making me think that maybe he tried to do 250mill in a buy order and added an extra 0 by accident making it 2.5 billion. I think he purchased all of them off of the market then puts them up their at inflated prices, then makes a stupid sell order that may catch someone off guard, like me. Now I could only buy one so now I cannot sell it back to him to make my money back because I would need 3 of the said item. So basically if he got them for a lot cheaper he just made profit on me and I cannot get it back because of how he has it set up.

Now I am not even sure if I can resell this item for even 750mill, unless someone else see this little scheme and has the money to fall for it. Basically making me have to then link, " look at this market glitch" man this is ******* stupid OopsOopsOops

Do you think this was a scam?


a new player shouldnt have that much isk.

Its your own fault for trying to "buy yourself to expierence"

Whoever scammed you did gods work. Now go cry somewhere else pls.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#82 - 2014-05-15 07:22:08 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
Most people lost more than that, even if they win more.

Nice work bumping a necro thread that'd been dead for two months. P

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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#83 - 2014-05-15 07:43:20 UTC
I think everyone gets scammed at least once. Better it happen to you sooner (when your wallet is small) than later.

Learn from it!

Roll with it!


Do it to someone else now.


It is the way of things.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#84 - 2014-05-15 07:55:05 UTC
hahahaha u wont fall for that again i bet
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#85 - 2014-05-15 07:59:28 UTC
Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:
...I decided to get some money with plexes ..
Do you think this was a scam?


Yes

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2014-05-15 10:18:19 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
Billy Sastard wrote:
Qalix wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
Yes welcome to eve

Don't like it? Stay out, we don't need you.

You got taught a valuable lesson.

No, it's this kind of attitude we don't need. If you guys don't wake up and start finding ways to quell your troll impulses and help bring the noobs along, this game will continue its slow decline. We've finally gotten a big pulse of new players; please don't **** it up for everyone else.

Raw seems to have struck a nice balance. If the guy keeps whining even after the situation is explained to him, THEN jump down his throat.


Wait... 'slow decline'... What?
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Looks to be holding fairly steady for quite a while to me...

Then again, EVE has been dying since I started playing back in 2005, right?


PLEX price is the real indicator of how healthy the game is in terms of new players arriving, not the peak player counts. New players provide PLEX, old players consume PLEX. A high player count can be (and indeed I believe is) indicative of simply a proliferation of PLEX-subbed alts of old players. Certainly the recent increases in the player count have been synchronous with a rise in PLEX price. If these new arrivals were legitimately new players then the PLEX price should have dropped as the new players buy PLEX to fund their in-game actions.

Telling people like the OP to quit EVE is like killing the golden goose (although that analogy breaks down when you realise the only reason that you are telling him to quit EVE is out of your own malice rather than any expectation of gain).


Ill break the news to you... Not all new players fund their actions through plexes. Only plex I have ever sold for isk was one I found in a 2 weeks old pilot's Thorax autopiloting through a 0.5 system with no tank. He had 3 plexes in there and helped fund the further killings in that system for the rest of the day.
ladypee
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2014-05-15 11:04:22 UTC
3 weeks old player and flying a Raven? Oops
almost 2 years here and still learning to pilot my Thrasher!
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#88 - 2014-05-15 13:24:40 UTC
Again, I am just going to leave my (current) favorite .gif here.

OP: If you can decode what she is saying, you will win a prize.

F

Would you like to know more?
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#89 - 2014-05-16 02:05:47 UTC
Did you even read the market skills before you tried to make dosh?

I am objectively awful at market trading and i still won't fall for that ****

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#90 - 2014-05-16 03:25:22 UTC
Necro of the day?
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Aluka 7th
#91 - 2014-05-16 08:14:21 UTC
If you got scammed then you are greedy.
D20 Rollings
Doomheim
#92 - 2014-05-16 08:35:30 UTC
Eve=cyberpunk

WTF is that?
go here http://project.cyberpunk.ru/lib/neuromancer/
Cyberpunk does have a god, he is Mr Gibson

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...  Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those... moments... will be lost in time, like  tears... in... rain. Time... to die...
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-05-16 11:27:45 UTC
Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:
Then as I looked into it further I noticed he only accepts 3 at a time not 2.5bill each, yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it.


So you were greedy and tried to scam some other player out of ISK by taking advantage of his error. I'm really glad that you lost ISK.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#94 - 2014-05-16 16:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:
Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.

And honestly even though I am 3 weeks old I love making in game money even if I have no use for it. I sit around and train skills, would be nice to train skills work the market and in 6 months from now have a sweet ship with plenty of high end upgrades that keep it alive.

I can use a Raven right now, but if I hop into one I have low lvl rigging and cant use most of the tech 2 mods. I would get raped! So I train up stuff and play the market. Sucks that I blew like about 30 bucks in isk.

If I was scammed by a player interaction then that's one thing. But this is stupid, it seem like more of an exploit.


you were exploited through your own actions that were driven by greed... in that context, exploits are allowed.

also, please define high-end upgrades? knowledge of game mechanics and manual flight skill are worth more than modules and hulls. the sooner you learn that frigates are where you should start with pvp the more cash you'll have down the road because a 35M ISK loss is much easier to swallow than a 350M ISK loss.

Thank me later :D
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#95 - 2014-05-16 16:34:15 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
Nobody's stated the obvious: When in highsec, close local and never ever open it. Jesus it's not that hard really.


... wat? Worst advice ever. Go home.


I wanted to comment that closing Local was a horrid idea but I didn't and just kept reading... only to find a comment that I left for you almost 3mos ago. Big smile o/

Thank me later :D
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#96 - 2014-05-16 16:49:38 UTC

I remember the first time I saw a margin trade scam. I was a very young player that had only a few million iskies to my name, and was fitting up my new cruiser in Dodixie when a post in local brought some "amazingly profitable" buy / sell trade that I could make lots of isk off of. I didn't have the isk to purchase it, but I immediately wondered why someone would post such a thing in local.

Several months later, I noticed a similar contract posted in Jita local, and had the isk to go through with it. However, by that time I'd learned that scamming was extremely common in EvE, and a simple google search explained the margin trade scam.

Read up on scams in EvE. Here is an EvE-Uni wiki article on them.

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-05-16 19:59:59 UTC
This is a classic tale of people buying PLEX for ISK and losing it. He bought a Raven but doesn't even have the most basic skills to fly it. Another loss of ISK waiting to happen.

Take the time to learn the game. While you're earning ISK to buy ships you're getting in game skills and game play knowledge on how to avoid dumb losses. Some games are "Pay to win" but Eve is more like a "Pay to lose" game.
Torrent Talon
Hierarch Apotheosis Consortium
#98 - 2014-05-17 19:41:06 UTC
Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:
Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.

And honestly even though I am 3 weeks old I love making in game money even if I have no use for it. I sit around and train skills, would be nice to train skills work the market and in 6 months from now have a sweet ship with plenty of high end upgrades that keep it alive.

I can use a Raven right now, but if I hop into one I have low lvl rigging and cant use most of the tech 2 mods. I would get raped! So I train up stuff and play the market. Sucks that I blew like about 30 bucks in isk.

If I was scammed by a player interaction then that's one thing. But this is stupid, it seem like more of an exploit.


your view on thinking having a pimp ship makes it better is bad, you will get sick of this game after a while let me tell you that now
Mara'kesh
DZNT Inc
T-R-S-I Universal
#99 - 2014-05-18 21:30:51 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

The majority of scamees are actually drunk veteran players, and if you log into EVE drunk, you deserve to suffer the consequences of doing so.


This is sooooo true. The margain trading scam got me a few months back and i've been playing well over 6 years and knew all about the scam. All this knowledge vanished when I got lashed and sat there trading in my underwear!
Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2014-05-19 14:43:37 UTC
OP - based on your posts in this thread and the one where you asked for a loan, you are way ahead of yourself. Be patient - eve is not about instant gratification.

Suggestions: research and learn about something risky before trying it

Don't try market trading with 850m isk when you are two weeks old. Don't try getting a loan for trading before you understand how taxes and broker fees work. In fact, don't try trading until you read a guide about it! If you had, you would have known to avoid this situation, and you would have an idea how to get started.

Learn, take small steps until you have experience. Eve is a game that (just like real life) will punish you for taking huge risks without knowing what you are doing. What you did was essentially the eve-equivalent of seeing a penny-stock pop-up ad in your web browser and investing your entire life savings without a clue how the stock market works.

What happened to you sucks, but it happened not because you are new but because you acted before thinking. Had you simply read an article on eve market trading it likely could have been avoided. Making gold on the WoW auction house does not translate to profiting immediately on the eve market without doing any prior research.