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An Open Internet and you! CCP read plz!

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Skyy Dracon
The Milkmen
Sedition.
#21 - 2014-05-15 03:08:14 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Skyy Dracon wrote:
Shederov Blood wrote:
So which ISP would CCP have to pay? Every American ISP that any of their customers use?

Essentially yes. Any of the ISP's that chose to charge for better access speeds by content providers.
That's what I don't get -- Why it should be CCP's responsibility to have any dealings with them whatsoever.
But I'm sure you'll all get along just fine. Except on patch days. P

can you not take 2 minutes of your time to help fight this by using the email links or posting a tweet on twitter?
do the rights of your fellow gamers and game developers matter so little? Thats all I'm asking people to do. take 2 minutes of their time to help countless others (even those that are ignorant of whats going on and won't ever say thank you.)
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#22 - 2014-05-15 03:14:30 UTC
You're talking to an Australian who uses prepaid wireless at a rate of $50 for 3gb.

Also where is the Fury bot to provide you a link to OOPE forum? Shocked

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Skyy Dracon
The Milkmen
Sedition.
#23 - 2014-05-15 03:28:43 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
You're talking to an Australian who uses prepaid wireless at a rate of $50 for 3gb.

Also where is the Fury bot to provide you a link to OOPE forum? Shocked
All I"M asking is for people to help us out before our situation is mad worse.
here's another interesting article on the topic of internet service in America.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2014/05/network_neutrality_dinosaurs_like_time_warner_and_at_t_have_nothing_to_worry.html

I swear come next election all a Presidential candidate has to do is use internet freedom, commerce and innovation as a platform and the popular vote is there's >.<
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-05-15 03:36:59 UTC
Skyy Dracon wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
You all do know that the big telecom providers have their people in key govt positions don't you?

It's like lobbying the wolves not to eat the sheep. Big smile good luck.
True, but the shepherd can only ignore the cries of the sheep for so long before he has to do something about it.



Yeah right. They don't give a damn about you, not one bit. The sooner everyone gets this the better.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#25 - 2014-05-15 03:39:06 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
Net neutrality is an issue but I don't foresee it being a huge deal for EVE. Keeping an active server connection takes only a small amount of bandwidth (<1 megabit). It would only be an issue if they decided to throttle EVE's download servers, but EVE is still niche enough that they might get by.

Now Steam, on the other hand, could be screwed.


Steam has international content servers.
I'm in Australia and get my steam dls and patches from their AU or Asian servers so the US can't bottleneck/restrict it anyway.

I doubt the eve patches come from a US based server so its also a non issue for eve players in the rest of the world.
Won't matter to most of us.

+ any US company with an international customer base and 1/2 a brain will just move its servers offshore therefore leaving only US customers to put up with any restrictions.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-05-15 03:48:52 UTC
Whats that? The American government is screwing its customers ?(yeah customers, not citizens, you proto-caldari)

My word this has never happened before, it must shouted from the rooftops that the posterboy of fair judgement and noble intentions is actually pure evil!

All this is, is another +1 on the check-sheet for moving to Canada.

But look at it this way, until you have Mexicans running BACK ACROSS the border, You're not THAT bad off.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-05-15 03:57:55 UTC
Nerfing highsec would solve this problem.

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Imaslaver Taron
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-05-15 04:07:13 UTC
As a concerned US citizen, net neutrality is going to hit us in the wrong place. I have been following a number of tech sites and there are many different opinions abound, but for the most part it's all against the very idea of throttling the speeds because of the explosion of smartphones, tablets, you name it that we can access media (Youtube, Hulu) for example and this is something we as customers are going to ultimately pay.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2014-05-15 04:19:29 UTC
I've been torn on the issue.

On the one hand, the people who are using tons of bandwidth for their movie addiction (I see them on the ferry, like, hey, it's a 30 minute ride can you put the dumbing down aside for half a f**king hour?) are being subsidized by people who have a life.

On the other hand, the FCC has ZERO authority on this and this is actually a federal power grab. Once that camel gets its nose in the tent, there's no limit to how far they will go. If you don't think so, look into the world of HAM radio and the FCC stupidity that infests it and you will get a good view of what the federal government can do to the internet.


Frankly, if the providers themselves wanted to provide different speeds for different prices, so those people who just HAVE to be streaming crap every two minutes can pay more for it, I'll have no issue with that. But the FCC and the federal government generally needs to keep it's greedy paws off of the internet.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#30 - 2014-05-15 04:21:15 UTC
Moving this from General Discussion to Out of Pod Experience.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-05-15 04:25:45 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've been torn on the issue.

On the one hand, the people who are using tons of bandwidth for their movie addiction (I see them on the ferry, like, hey, it's a 30 minute ride can you put the dumbing down aside for half a f**king hour?) are being subsidized by people who have a life.

On the other hand, the FCC has ZERO authority on this and this is actually a federal power grab. Once that camel gets its nose in the tent, there's no limit to how far they will go. If you don't think so, look into the world of HAM radio and the FCC stupidity that infests it and you will get a good view of what the federal government can do to the internet.


Frankly, if the providers themselves wanted to provide different speeds for different prices, so those people who just HAVE to be streaming crap every two minutes can pay more for it, I'll have no issue with that. But the FCC and the federal government generally needs to keep it's greedy paws off of the internet.


I think its more the private sociopathic companies who are solely motivated by profit need to keep their greedy hands off the internet.

I have no familiarity with radio, what did the FCC do to it that was so horrible?

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#32 - 2014-05-15 04:30:37 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've been torn on the issue.

On the one hand, the people who are using tons of bandwidth for their movie addiction (I see them on the ferry, like, hey, it's a 30 minute ride can you put the dumbing down aside for half a f**king hour?) are being subsidized by people who have a life.

On the other hand, the FCC has ZERO authority on this and this is actually a federal power grab. Once that camel gets its nose in the tent, there's no limit to how far they will go. If you don't think so, look into the world of HAM radio and the FCC stupidity that infests it and you will get a good view of what the federal government can do to the internet.


Frankly, if the providers themselves wanted to provide different speeds for different prices, so those people who just HAVE to be streaming crap every two minutes can pay more for it, I'll have no issue with that. But the FCC and the federal government generally needs to keep it's greedy paws off of the internet.


I think its more the private sociopathic companies who are solely motivated by profit need to keep their greedy hands off the internet.

I have no familiarity with radio, what did the FCC do to it that was so horrible?


Unfortunately they are the ones providing it ShockedRoll
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-05-15 05:03:16 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've been torn on the issue.

On the one hand, the people who are using tons of bandwidth for their movie addiction (I see them on the ferry, like, hey, it's a 30 minute ride can you put the dumbing down aside for half a f**king hour?) are being subsidized by people who have a life.

On the other hand, the FCC has ZERO authority on this and this is actually a federal power grab. Once that camel gets its nose in the tent, there's no limit to how far they will go. If you don't think so, look into the world of HAM radio and the FCC stupidity that infests it and you will get a good view of what the federal government can do to the internet.


Frankly, if the providers themselves wanted to provide different speeds for different prices, so those people who just HAVE to be streaming crap every two minutes can pay more for it, I'll have no issue with that. But the FCC and the federal government generally needs to keep it's greedy paws off of the internet.


I think its more the private sociopathic companies who are solely motivated by profit need to keep their greedy hands off the internet.

I have no familiarity with radio, what did the FCC do to it that was so horrible?


Unfortunately they are the ones providing it ShockedRoll


What is your point, regulatory capture is a pretty big issue?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#34 - 2014-05-15 16:00:53 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've been torn on the issue.

On the one hand, the people who are using tons of bandwidth for their movie addiction (I see them on the ferry, like, hey, it's a 30 minute ride can you put the dumbing down aside for half a f**king hour?) are being subsidized by people who have a life.

On the other hand, the FCC has ZERO authority on this and this is actually a federal power grab. Once that camel gets its nose in the tent, there's no limit to how far they will go. If you don't think so, look into the world of HAM radio and the FCC stupidity that infests it and you will get a good view of what the federal government can do to the internet.


Frankly, if the providers themselves wanted to provide different speeds for different prices, so those people who just HAVE to be streaming crap every two minutes can pay more for it, I'll have no issue with that. But the FCC and the federal government generally needs to keep it's greedy paws off of the internet.


I think its more the private sociopathic companies who are solely motivated by profit need to keep their greedy hands off the internet.

I have no familiarity with radio, what did the FCC do to it that was so horrible?


Unfortunately they are the ones providing it ShockedRoll


What is your point, regulatory capture is a pretty big issue?



It boils down to corporations getting validated by "regulations" of the government but in a manner that "he who has armies of lobbyists wins". FCC regulation of the internet means the "big boys" can get their way buy out congress (as usual) but not in a manner where the public gets an easy redress.


When corporations blatantly go rent-seeking in a truly free market, other organizations can compete with them in that same market and potentially out-profit. But under the guise of "government regulation" plus already having the capital to buy influence means they get to pretend they are regulated by the government but maintain a monopoly and most of the profits in the meantime.


Regarding the radio spectrum, as an example, compare how hard it is to start your own radio station and how easy it is to start your own website. If you want to use anything beyond FRS you need a HAM or operators license. If the internet were regulated in the same manner that radio is regulated now, we would all need licenses and there would be enough regulation in place to make starting a website or blog or forum a trip into red-tape land. This would run parallel to the stated goal of the present administration to end anonymity of the internet.


So while it can be stated that a service provider may have the right to dole out their bandwidth as they (think) the market would require, the government approach to this is dangerous.

I already see internet service plans where you can get say 30 Mbps for $30 a month and "50 for 50" so throttled service speed is already a reality. Someone who does not need to be on Netflix every night can choose a cheaper plan and someone who wants to be able to download entire seasons of Star Trek and have marathons can choose faster service for a few bucks more. So why does the FCC even need to be involved?

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