EVE General Discussion

I can think of worse fates like the 4 guys (or one guy) who sit outside of the high-sec station my character sleeps in while not "exploring" in null. They have 5-8 year old characters that sit in T-3s outside of the station with a yellow can between them waiting for some new player in a frigate to touch it. For 12 -14 HOURS per day!!!!!!! Is that what 5 years in this game turns you in to? Yuck!

I think definitely one of the biggest things EVE needs work on is that transition from doing the tutorial missions to the question of "what to do?" past that. Personally I think the tutorials as they sit could use a bit of tweaking to be a bit more informative as well as introductive to the EVE universe, but on the whole they do a decent job of introducing a new player to the basics. How to change them is a discussion for another time.

First of all, we have to assume that a new player isn't intending off the start to fund their EVE adventures with PLEX sales. Some will, but we can't work under that assumption. What that means is that one of the critical things I think new EVE players need to be introduced to is the logistics of maintaining their character. This mostly has to do with making sure your character has a revenue stream. The only ones that are really introduced are mining and missioning. While many will tell the new player that to get into PvP you need to just fit a scram and a web on a frig and off you go, Lets face it, that's still a limited portion of EVE PvP and we should expect that new players are going to want to try other stuff out. Back to that revenue stream. Even if they fly their whole EVE career in a frigate with a scram they're still going to have to replace said frigs and scrams. Again, back to that revenue stream.

Now with that in mind, we need to be able to get people in the mode of creating their own revenue streams, at the very least so they can keep throwing frigs and scrams into the grinder that it EVE PvP. It should also be noted that there isn't much of a revenue stream in basic PvP in EVE, even the old guide to piracy warns that at best it might be a breaking even proposition. Here's my list of stuff that produces revenue for my characters.

Mining
Missioning
Wormhole sites
Exploration sites - hacking and archaeology
Refining
Salvaging
Production
Copying
Datacore production
Transport and Trading
Planetary Interaction

Note that lots of those things can be broken down into several aspects. Salvaging is both related to missioning, opportunistic salvaging and ninja salvaging. Lots of those things though, you're really on your own to figure out how you can profit off of them. Some of the appeal to the game I suppose that not everyone is such bent, but it deserves mention. Note that there are some things I didn't include on my list, only the ones I did. The idea is that you're flexible so that other players can't ever shut down your revenue stream, or at least to do so it would require a huge concerted effort.

While some may try to tell you its not all about getting the stuff, it should be obvious that the more stuff you have the more of it you can afford to lose in game. For PvP, it opens up your options of what you can do. Some of that still needs to be opened up I feel in game to widen those options and make the revenue stream generating a bit more fun, though you can make your own fun. For example: I like ninja mining.

I think probably the most frustrating part of EVE is that to get into a lot of the most interesting things in EVE, it requires a substantial amount of time dedicated out of the player. If you want a PvP fix especially, its hard to just log in and get into battle.

He talked about wanting to join a corp, but needing Sp to do it. I gave him some options. Better than the dufus who told him to AFK mine on a 2nd monitor for a year while he gained SP :).

I'm a New Order supporter, so already a hero. Its nice work. Also only about 10hr of training into a Catalyst or a couple of days into a bumping Stabber to get started. The pay isn't that great, but the rewards are tremendous.

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