EVE General Discussion

I would like to see CCP experiment with this on a wormhole or two.

You jump in and can only warp to planets and fleet members.

all sites, moon etc are in vicinity of planet but too small for your warp drive to lock on to.

so you can warp a random distance to planet (chance based so planets cant be 'camped')

..then you have to slowboat where you want to go.

Of course people will fit for speed, but as in the rest of eve would be detrimental to other stats (armour, damage etc.)

Would be very interesting to see how the community would populate this space, what the gangs and fits would be like and how structures and sites would be defended.

You could also have sites not near planets where you have to bookmark in warp to have a chance of reaching.

More I think about it, more I like it.


...deployable warp beacons anyone?

OK how so?
and if so any further ideas to help with this?

I understand your desire for true exploration in EvE because the exploration angle was what got me interested in playing the game. Instead of an explorer we are more like game show contestants (relic and data sites.) I doubt there is way to change this much within the current game environment.

This would be very boring. There is a reason that games which had mechanics like this (Elite Frontier, etc.) had time compression. You'd have to use oversized perma-MWD fits to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time. (And it's not really that feasible to catch one of those.)

to Call the sites for exploring is wrong, its more like looting. There are nothing New to find in these sites that allready excists.
EVE has failed completely when it comes to the expression "Exploring"

Welcome to GD

Please take a bat and wait by the door

Someone will be along with another terrible idea shortly and you can have first whack

I'm not absolutely sure, because I'm not an expert, but from what I've gleaned, I think this type of request misunderstands how the game is programmed.

There's no "there" there in EVE, it's all a complete illusion. Maugre the dictionary definition of "instance", EVE is in fact just about the most heavily instanced MMO there is - it's just that, unlike with the classical definition of "instance", others can "find" and crash your instance.

A solar system is nothing like a permanent "zone" in your average type of MMO. We are on the same server, but we are not in the same "zone", like we might be in another MMO. The closest things to zones are the the permanent areas around gates and stations, and they're tiny, and virtually empty. All the rest, all the other "places" you can be, are instances ("boxes") that pop into existence when they're needed, and despawn after a while.

This is the reason why "places" in the game have to be based either on bookmarks or exploration or established locations, and travel is by jumpgates. The "thereness" of the place doesn't exist until you're there.

What's happening when you fly in a straight line in any direction from either a mission box or a bookmarked place or a gate or whatever, is that you are, so to speak, carrying a little "bubble" of instance with you - imagine a blob of liquid, and the blob extrudes a lump, and that lump eventually turns into another blob and separates. That's something like what happens, except the blobs aren't in some kind of virtual space, their spatial relation to each other is just an illusion.

If you think about what you're doing when you make BMs in space, it will become clearer. You can't stop mid-warp; but you can "drop" a bookmark mid-warp. This is because "warp" is basically just a glorified loading screen for the place you're going to - it's not actually any kind of movement through anything, through any kind of space. All that's changing are distance numbers on a database, and the rendering of your background.

This isn't a fault of CCP's programming or anything, it's pretty much the only way it could be done - until there's a quantum leap in computing power.

Again, I stress this is just a very sketchy amateur's understanding of the situation, and I obviously don't really understand it in any depth, but I think something like the above outlines the reasons why we can't actually have "real" exploration in space games.

Are you asking for procedurally generate content of some kind?

What is it that you want from exploiting er I mean exploding sorry exploring?

I both agree and disagree with this. What you seem to be actually asking for is a fully interactive background environment. That's never been a question of pure processor power (the X series of games are a good example of that), but on a MMO, it's a question of balance.

UO (Ultima Online) was originally intended to have the entire ecosystem simulated... (Larger creatures eating smaller ones, attacking players if they couldn't find food, etc.) They turned it off, not because of processing issues, but because players killed things faster than their ecosystem could handle. They couldn't find any way to make it meaningful, so just wrote the entire effort off as a waste.

EVE has always focused on player vs player activity. Rebuilding it into an interactive environment, while I would find it nice, would not aid that focus. (Hint: In that sort of world, pirate factions would probably be actively hunting mission runners...) You'd also want to have missions generated as they are actually needed (no more limitless missions), and a non-static empire space, with all factions having limited resources. That's a whole lot of programming & a whole lot of balancing.

Ive asked twice what people expect exploration to be and no one has answered.

In short;

They want candy of some kind but don't know how to get it or what type it should be

This is why we end up with marshmallows and not Haribo