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Exploring : Post Patch

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#21 - 2014-05-14 04:18:26 UTC
Tooltip is bad thread #125

Grrrr loot spew thread #49876234.2

Exploration entitlement thread #233

Webvan is awesome, bask in his mighty glow or bathe in his manly musk comment #.....1?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-05-14 06:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tooltip is bad thread #125

Grrrr loot spew thread #49876234.2

Exploration entitlement thread #233

Webvan is awesome, bask in his mighty glow or bathe in his manly musk comment #.....1?


Seriously not knowing what can you collect until you effectively order the ship to collect it is ********.
It's not about entitlement, it's simply pointless and adding just another level of "complexity" to something that is already needlessly "complex".
You spend hours going through systems trying to find let's say Data Sites
Then you find a site and you scan it down.
Then you scan the individual shards for contents so you can have an idea if this is worth your next 30 minutes or so.
(Let's say you found some juicy Datacores)
The you have to hack it.
The loot spews out.
Then you have to quickly catch all the Parts containers that MIGHT have Datacores (the more you catch the better the chances to actually get one).
Only NOW - you don't even see the Parts containers and you simply click around like a blundering idiot hoping that your next choice will be a Parts container. Not to mention that if you don't click on one your ship will collect the selection, and not only you end up with shitloads of junk but also might miss the window to actually collect what you want.

EDIT: Add doing this in Low or Null knowing that you'll be ganked any second and well...I'd rather count hair wearing boxing gloves.

It's like you PvP guys having a "50% chance that this module will fire" in a fight.

Fornicate The Constabulary !

Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#23 - 2014-05-14 07:06:21 UTC
I like the hacking minigame AND the container hunt.

Personally think its one of the most innovative things CCP has done to a game mechanic for a long time.

All these stealth 'Waaah Its too hard to concentrate on watching TV while playing!!!' posts are getting old real fast.

Hopefully CCP will not bend to the demands of the pseudo players.

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.

Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-05-14 07:09:45 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
I like the hacking minigame AND the container hunt.

Personally think its one of the most innovative things CCP has done to a game mechanic for a long time.

All these stealth 'Waaah Its too hard to concentrate on watching TV while playing!!!' posts are getting old real fast.

Hopefully CCP will not bend to the demands of the pseudo players.


We all love those.
It's just the recent "Huzzah! Some crap has been ejected from the shard - now try and guess and blind-click your way trough them to find the crap you're interested in" that has been added with those tooltips that screws it all up.

Fornicate The Constabulary !

Ekti
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-05-14 07:12:42 UTC
WHY IS THIS NOT FIXED YET ?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#26 - 2014-05-14 07:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Yim Sei wrote:
All these stealth 'Waaah Its too hard to concentrate on watching TV while playing!!!' posts are getting old real fast.

Hopefully CCP will not bend to the demands of the pseudo players.
You kidding? why should they change it? I just want more nerfing on it is all. I like the whining over loot spew, makes explorers need to do more sites to make money, spending more time in the sites drifting vulnerable. I like the broken explorer system now. I already scrapped my exploration fleet long ago, frigs and T3's etc. I trained T2 torps and use my cov-ops cloaky skill still. I still make ISK from those sites, just not the way you do.
cya, Yim Smile

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#27 - 2014-05-14 08:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
Nakami Saans wrote:
They are getting rid of the scatter loot in the expansion, just be patient Smile


Where does it say this please link.

So they will remove something which actually means you have to work rather than 'bot' your way to isk.

I am getting the feeling the vocal minority of botters and afk players keep making these posts to offer it as popular opinion.

Not sure if still any kind of game ...or just social experiment. (insert fry meme)

the first can have my money, the second definitely not.


Webvan wrote:
[quote=Yim Sei]All these stealth 'Waaah Its too hard to concentrate on watching TV while playing!!!' posts are getting old real fast.

...stuff ...
cya, Yim Smile


I think you misunderstand me Nakami - I like the loot spew and want it to stay.

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#28 - 2014-05-14 08:47:32 UTC
Ekti wrote:
WHY IS THIS NOT FIXED YET ?


What? Scattering containers? Tooltips over scattering containers? Devs approach to their game? They will remove it soon (soon means 1 month i presume, which means 1 month too late). Who cares? I hover mouse over gate and i get frame with "Gate". Game for idiots?

CCP is state of mind.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#29 - 2014-05-14 08:48:02 UTC
Wraith Shardani wrote:
What have you done?

It is now extremely difficult, if not impossible, to mouse over the scatter container and see if it's data, parts, materials.... in a timely fashion.

Exploration is how I make my ISK in this game, and this patch has made exploring relic sites a chore, instead of a fun / profitable thing to do in game.

Well played...


To Call that Exploring, is just wrong, EVE has missed completely the basic idea of what exploring is. I would Call that looting.

Wraith Shardani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-05-14 08:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Wraith Shardani
Webvan wrote:
Staten Island wrote:


Most of my income used to come from exploring - but the minigame killed that. On the otherhand the exploring changes brought a ton of new players to hacking with their shinny little covertop frigs and sister probe launchers - now i just crack those open for easy isk.

Yeah for new players, that's about it. We weren't complaining about exploration and demanding our thing be neutered. Our fleets ran strong and far, and they were many. Now all the new explorers only whine about loot Sad it'll never be good enough for them.

Sheesh bro..

You really have it in for "new players" don't you. Do you mind if I ask why?

After all, it's us "new players" that inject the game with enthusiasm, energy and money for ccps coffers.. all to make it better for you and your old pixels. Along with that, we are the gazelle to your lion, the fur seal to your great white shark, the colobus monkey to your troupe of chimps, the eviagra to your epeen. You should embrace us man!! :)

Also, have you heard of alts? Maybe you have one, or god forbid, even two. I'm guessing those alts are all different ages (none new), all with maxed skills of course, because you've been playing eve for so long..

All I wanted, was to engage in some dialogue over what is, all BS aside Webvan, and I know you agree with me, a horrific addition to the game. I don't think it's beneficial to anyone, but is especially bad when it comes to exploration and collecting those scatter cans.


Cheers
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#31 - 2014-05-14 08:54:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:


To Call that Exploring, is just wrong, EVE has missed completely the basic idea of what exploring is. I would Call that looting.

They really need to revamp it all when they do the deep space exploration expansion (5yr plan). Focus more on DED site exploration type stuff which is the only thing exploration is good for any longer, which really isn't even "exploration" any longer. It needs combat, not kitten paws on cat food cans.


Wraith Shardani wrote:
You really have it in for "new players" don't you. Do you mind if I ask why?

Hmm? Actually if you scroll down this forum, a new player thread looking for something as a alternative to mission grinding, I took the time to give a good response. I didn't suggest exploration, no, but gave links to what he was probably looking for, a number of choices. And I have posted hundreds of such posts for new players over the years, and have even given free ships and equipment to new players. So the character assassination stuff wont work there. My opinion is, and I'm entitled to it even if you don't like it, is that it's good that it makes it harder for explorers, and it takes them longer, just more sweet targets for the rest of us. Exploration wasn't always about low skill pinata flying, and they weren't hunted like they are now. And any new player who would ask if exploration is a good idea to do, my answer is an absolute no.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#32 - 2014-05-14 13:48:37 UTC
Wraith Shardani wrote:
What have you done?

It is now extremely difficult, if not impossible, to mouse over the scatter container and see if it's data, parts, materials.... in a timely fashion.

Exploration is how I make my ISK in this game, and this patch has made exploring relic sites a chore, instead of a fun / profitable thing to do in game.

Well played...


Don't worry, in a few weeks loot spew is removed, so this won't matter anymore.
Spurty
#33 - 2014-05-14 14:01:03 UTC
"DocFury I think" wrote:

I have learned that if I drink just enough I can put it to sleep for a few minutes... a few minutes where I am in charge of myself again.


May have ballsed up the quote. iPhone hates these forums with a passion.

Anyway, one of my favorite freaky bits of daft footwork by the babylon 5 writers. How to wrap up loose ends and try to make it all make some Sort of sense.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Durbon Groth
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-05-14 14:10:10 UTC
Come on guys, the old hacking mechanic was boring as all hell. I quite like the mini-game. It takes effort and it's something to do rather than orbit and 500 and watching your module cycle. There's an element of faliure now which fits in nicely with the general direction of the game. Besides I also hunt in exploration sites and I get a lot more kills now because people don't move the game window away from their overview...

But yeah regarding the OP the tooltips do totally get in the way. Pls let us turn them off or remove them on the scatter cans.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#35 - 2014-05-14 16:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrison Tato
Webvan wrote:
Cekle Skyscales wrote:
I love the hacking minigame.

I hate the scatter containers.

They should have done it to something else, left hacking the way it was, so we could ignore that new thingy.
They should increase the scatter of the container and replace most of it with glitter confetti. Then little clowns dancing out of the cans and climbing into little red cars to speed away... just right as the SB uncloaks and quick locks.


And no it wasn't about module rotation. You could always stack for radar sites if that was all you did, so it did go quick with cans. What they removed is the combat requirement and replaced fittings with useless components. Then stuck you with a minigame and sitting duck. It's soooo un-EVE. But at least it provides more targets for SB's and Falcons etc. Big smile


PLEASE uncloak your SB on my Astero!
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#36 - 2014-05-14 16:20:21 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:


To Call that Exploring, is just wrong, EVE has missed completely the basic idea of what exploring is. I would Call that looting.

They really need to revamp it all when they do the deep space exploration expansion (5yr plan). Focus more on DED site exploration type stuff which is the only thing exploration is good for any longer, which really isn't even "exploration" any longer. It needs combat, not kitten paws on cat food cans.


Wraith Shardani wrote:
You really have it in for "new players" don't you. Do you mind if I ask why?

Hmm? Actually if you scroll down this forum, a new player thread looking for something as a alternative to mission grinding, I took the time to give a good response. I didn't suggest exploration, no, but gave links to what he was probably looking for, a number of choices. And I have posted hundreds of such posts for new players over the years, and have even given free ships and equipment to new players. So the character assassination stuff wont work there. My opinion is, and I'm entitled to it even if you don't like it, is that it's good that it makes it harder for explorers, and it takes them longer, just more sweet targets for the rest of us. Exploration wasn't always about low skill pinata flying, and they weren't hunted like they are now. And any new player who would ask if exploration is a good idea to do, my answer is an absolute no.



Totally disagree. Exploration should be about finding new places and items. Not a place to fight NPC battleships. That is called fighting, not exploring.

It would be great if explorers could find close to unique items (something from a list of thousands of rare game objects that can only be found during exploration - say finding an ancient ship wreck.) Then he could take that item to another player who has trained to analyze certain aspects of the object which then must be taken to another expert for further analysis. Something like that would be great.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#37 - 2014-05-14 16:24:41 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:

So they will remove something which actually means you have to work rather than 'bot' your way to isk.
I am getting the feeling the vocal minority of botters and afk players keep making these posts to offer it as popular opinion.

Not sure if still any kind of game ...or just social experiment. (insert fry meme)


Loot pinata is hardly what I would consider work, also you could probably script a bot to click little dots very easily. The hacking mini-game is staying and was actually good. The pinata was trash from when it hit sisi.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Josef Djugashvilis
#38 - 2014-05-14 20:08:41 UTC
Blood Viper Johnson wrote:
still waiting what in june ccp will return npc on relics.cuz too many hisec bitches or trial in nullsec now.


What is a hi-sec *****?

This is not a signature.

Neutrino Sunset
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-05-15 18:06:12 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
PLEASE uncloak your SB on my Astero!
Yeah, that would be a much nicer payout than your average lowsec data site!
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#40 - 2014-05-15 18:41:15 UTC
CCP has already announced that loot spew is going away. Give it a couple weeks.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

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