EVE General Discussion

gevlon pubie. discovers eve from his tiny isolated world's view. i like him. Must be great fun to meet that guy in rl. he seems to know everything.

WoW Mudflation is so bad, that Blizzard does not actually "advance" the game of Wow, they spend the year replacing the scenery, shuffling the dance moves required to complete the bosses, and replace the items with multiplied stats on new ones.

Once the items are collected the game is toast and the blizzard work has to be done again and that work is fixed, extensive and all consuming and all important. it is just a train track and all you do by cooperating is attach more engines to the train to get to the current track end faster, however everyone is on the same train line.

EVE being a consumption and rarity model, is far more insulated against time, and slowly builds up to having a larger working set of things to do. ie I pay rent to holders, avoid roamers, kill ninjas, cooperate with allies run stuff to market etc, all things that there are really no parallel in the raidfinder->dungeon->purple model, and people are defined by what they do, not by choosing priest 5 years ago on the first logon screen.

You can't add the WoW model to this game without having either an irrelevent Wow treadmill, or having the resources flood this game model.

Gevlon is quite intelligent and far less of a waste of space than, say, you are. Even the Goons would agree on that.

Sure his concept of reality can be a bit distorted, but he's smart enough that he adds a lot back to the community with this grand plans and yes - epic fails.

You will find a lot of people agreeing with Dave's POV here, i'm one of them and yes i am an actual person... Gevlon has a very narrow minded view of the world, and while he is in some ways quite smart, he demonstrates a complete disconnect with reality on a regular basis, ascribing particular motives to individuals actions making assumptions to their drivers and motivations that are simply not true precisely because of this disconnect. Frankly it makes him look deluded.

What the...

You do realize that is EXACTLY what is going on right now, right?

NPC corps have high taxes, etc.

Player corps can actually do things. In fact they're getting far more incentive to be in a player corp in the near future, once the economic rebalances start hitting with the Greek Mythology releases.

He's just parroting Seagull (pun very much intended) and calling it his own idea. He probably thinks it's his own idea, too.

Your idea would make for an even more stagnant game.

Have you seen some of the fits He's posted or videos he's made. I applaud him for trying things, but he's simply not very good at PVE at all. Like his '2 ship mission blitzing' video where he wastes an entire alt on a logistics ship and wastes isk on an expensive DPS ship when twin domis or twin FoF missile/Drone Armageddons would have been both cheaper and more effective....

when after a month, 40% of players are still doing the 'terrible' pve, or the other 50% who have canceled their accounts completely... yes, it probably might be a good idea to stop the pve being so horrible, encourage them to meet other players, and maybe accidentally stumble in to the other 10% of players doing player driven stuff that might keep them in the game and generate some content.

it's not even about 'better' pve, it's simply about the whole "split rewards with fleet" formula being horrible. it sincerely doubt it'd take much to change that, and it's arguably one of the biggest reasons why people go "**** this, imma play in a bubble and pretend it's a single player spaceship game".

it's a sandbox meaning earning stupid amounts of isk by grinding all day is a perfectly valid play style; as is ganking them when they spend stupid amounts of isk on officer modules. you use the term 'sandbox' as if it's an excuse to ignore things you don't personally like. sandbox doesn't mean you have to pvp, it means you can do whatever you want; including boring yourself silly to pimp your raven to bore yourself silly faster. the issue isn't with how "fun" or "boring" pve is, it's the glaring fact that it promotes avoiding any social interaction with players as it's never a benefit to socially interact with people, it always results in a loss of isk/hour.

nobody is forcing their type of game on anyone here; there's a fundamental flaw that goes against the entire point of having a MULTIPLAYER game. it needs addressing, especially since ccp seem to finally want to fix the issue with the beginning of the game, quite frankly, being ****.

Incursions punish you for bringing to few or to many, yes. Anomalies (and to a lesser extent, missions) punish you for brining anyone else period lol.

In fact, 'traditional bounty" content (anomalies and to a lesser extent complexes and missions) not only discourages real player interaction, in encourages alts. I use 3 ships to sweep anoms because even though individually each one is making less than they would if I were using them in separate anoms, it doesn't matter much because I still get all the isk generated (and the upside is that using all 3 together clears anoms faster thus upping my 'escalation chances per hour') .

This was exactly the thing that odyssey exploration should have been, which has been good to newbies but totally failed to encourage grouping, even though that was the stated intention. When it was clear that 90% of the loot could be had from a site solo then obviously bringing anyone who wants any more than the remaining 10% will punish your income, and the design was broken. Unfortunately the usual tippia troll/fanboy crowd shut down that debate and sites were left and never iterated and the spew is now being removed totally back to square one.