EVE General Discussion

I have been playing Eve since 2007 with the occasional 'burnout break' of 3 to 6 months here and there and today thought came to me which I think has been kind of skirted around before but maybe not stated in the way I am going to try.

Hopefully through this post it will kind of give a few of you something akin to a feeling of realisation as it kind of did for me and hopefully some useful posts may follow.

Try to apply these words not to your own personal situation but also to the of the 'space poor' newer and casual players

Now Eve online has a fantastic ship modification system, I mean absolutely the best 'gear' of any game (mmo or not) out there.

From T1, Meta 1-4, Faction, Officer and T2 modules the possibilities on fitting your ship are absolutely endless.
Not only is this almost a mini game itself when you factor in tools such as EFT and pyfa * but it gives a massive array of sometimes rare or expensive modules to aspire to own and fit on your ship in game.

When we look at the better modules and rigs out there, the price difference much of the time does reflect how useful that module may be or its rarity.
This can result in your aspired ship fitting turning a 150 million isk hull into a 1 billion isk fitted ship. This can be for a lot of players and achievement itself and something to be proud of through the countless hours of (sometimes boring) isk generation to afford the modules or exploration / hunting to find blueprints.

So you have your ship.
You sit there spinning the ship in the station, your theory crafting and fitting has come to a head and all of a sudden it dawns on you.

'what the hell am I supposed to do with this?'

The realisation that the countless times of checking stats and paying that extra 200 million isk to get that extra CPU, which in turn allows you to fit that module to increase resists by a further <5% generally means next to nothing in the Eve 'real world' ...and here is why......

Generally eve players are very risk averse.
The mantra 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose' is ingrained into everyone from the start and for good reason.
In eve loss is a very real part of the eve life and this is what makes this game probably the most epic and interesting mmo out there.

What this also means is 99% of combat pilots in eve will never, ever engage unless the odds are stacked completely in their favour.

You have your perfect combat ship but quickly realise that you will only ever fly it in a definite win situation.
Lets say with another 20 fleet members, with logi support and your finger on the GTFO button should any real competition appear.

The pinnacle of fitting your dream ship should be the assurance that it can hold its own in a fight be that against other player and this is what you have done, however the situation to use that fit in any solo, or in some cases even small gang application where you can feel YOU have built something and used it to good effect, will in many cases never materialise.

You have scrimped and saved and spent many hours grinding the isk to build a ship which you are to scared to use in anger due to fear of the blob, lack of trust due to awoxing and throw away suicide gankers.


So in conclusion to this long post (sorry) Eve has many many fitting options and much bling which would be great to actually use to good effect, but due to social and economic aspects will never be used in anger.
We have all seen the odd video of a single ship taking on a gang but these are very very few and far between.
I would personally love to fly out into low in a bhaalgorn or nightmare (for example) and pit against 2 or 3 T1 battleships but I know it will never happen because that 2 or 3 will soon become 20 or 30 and my ship of choice is just a lot of isk up in smoke for very little 'fun' after many hours of Isk generation.

Personally I think we need more for our isk and a real rebalance of modules, or a total market crash.
either that or make modules (Industry) easier and far more accessable AND less inclined to become a monopoly.

I would love to spend time to obtain materials, manufacture, invent and fly into battle something which actually has a chance in combat. I don't want safety - but I want to spend the isk to give me a chance of survival at the very least.

At the moment the numerous ships modules and rigs only seem to serve the economy and not the player.

Is there any way around this? or are all our fitting options just a moot point?


* Shouldn't this be an 'in game' feature by now?

Guess you didn't read.

OP is generally about stats on modules, ships and rigs relative to expense and accessibility to casual players (those not botting 24 hours a day with 20 alts on isboxer)

btw posting words doesn't make you a combat pilot either (and neither does ganking miners)

In game feature = EFT Pyfa - its noted in post but is a wall of text, sorry.

I guess my post was more combat / PvP focused than running missions or sites. Should have clarified that.

My bad, I should have clarified that my statement regarding the WH corp was also PVP ships only.

No I never said that at all. I said the balance of their advantage relative to their worth is incorrect unless you are very space rich.

So many words just to say

"I don't have balls"

Yes Yes, I understand you think this is about skill - however it is not.
Its regarding the relative worth of advantage given by modules and ships (faction etc over T1 / T2 for example).
This is in no way an 'I win button' discussion - rather a re-balancing or re-valuing of items / ships.

You do however make a valid point regarding the rarity being the reason they are expensive and thank you for that, I was focusing more on the stats advantage of these ships / modules.

I'm not saying the game is broken, just that we have all the wonderful toys - but they seem pointless in the current meta and economy.

My 4b ship was a PVE ship, but we used to field 3-4b Bhaalgorns. They were often taken into low and null sec engagements, and often against overwhelming odds. Let's face it though, faction fit Bhaalgorns are beastly with the right backup and could quite often turn the tide of a battle. That coupled with the fact that the corp was never afraid to bring the fight.

This. When I flew with my WH corp it didn't matter if I lost a faction fit ship, I had the isk, the worse problem about it was hoping we had a HS exit/entrance to get the new ship back home.

The only ship I wouldn't take into PvP is the Federate Megathron.