Wormholes

When you compare the gameplay options in W-space to k-space, the difference is huge... People get tired of cycling through the same content.

From what I have seen the enthusiasm for plexing comes and goes based on who/how many of the corp pilots are sitting on fat wallets. Lose some ships in PVP, new pilots finish training for the next ship or corp mates go on a blink/Jita bender and all of a sudden everyone wants to plex. However, plexing is god awful boring so following payouts its always GROAN!

For PVP - some of it depends on when we cycle, what we hit in our cycling and who we run into. Some of it depends on what other ops we are taking part in. Seems to me that the cyclical nature is just part of EVE day-to-day life in general.

As far as corp membership goes you always have your core members with the rest cycling through. Recruiting has to remain constant and It seems one can expect to eventually add maybe 5-10% of new recruits into the core inner circle with far less being trusted with directorships or roles that may pose a risk to corp security or assets.

In WHs I think there may be one other factor. Its the get rich and fly cool ships part of things and the "unknown". For that reason I also think we in WH corps see our fair share of pilots who are just curious. Maybe they may be bored with life elsewhere in the EVE universe. They look at WHs as something unknown and exciting. So they come out with the intention of adventure and the thrill of a new aspect to the game for them. Maybe they bet on getting rich quick or... Who knows what they think??? Then depending on how the experience pans out for them they gradually cycle out of game, to inactive status or back to other space within EVE.

Just my thoughts...

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Yeah wh-life isn't for everyone. Certainly doesn't supply the constant supply of fun that some people crave. I think the core leadership of the corp is the most important consideration. As long as they are in it for the long run then various players joining and leaving all the damn time doesn't have too much of an effect.

We made our home in wh-space because we wanted to own a part of new eden, even if it's a tiny slither of irrelevant nothingness. We make it clear that it can be fun one minute, and boring as hell the next. They might not be able to take that for long, but we'll still be here regardless.

BUGRY is in a C3/U210 for the same reason - a variety box of gatecamping idiots and foolish nubs running radars and mags (fine, data and relic, w/e).

IRL takes its toll. The current rash of nostalgia restarts or reboots (like, seriously...this week is like 2009-12 all over) I think is more the directors and CEOs of these corps having got over the punishment of running themselves into the ground for content creation for, by and large, shiftless lazy plebes who don't realise or care what sacrifices "mangement" makes in running a corp. So you restart, because you are a content creator, not consumer, and you're creating more content than the current bunch of people you are with can or want to kill.

Now, Narwhals, TALUN, etc, are different that a single corp restarting. Its a different game now. Previously you could assemble 20 T3's in a fleet and hey presto, you were elite (or so you put about on the forums; however you get blueballed and complain about people SDing everything because you smashed a pea with a hammer and no one fought you; elite corps got 20 kills when BUGRY got 150).

Everyone has T3s now, they are cheap and easy to fly. They are no longer godlike and amazing compared to the rebalanced T1 hulls. i mean, the Execquror is more effective than the Oneiros, and the Guardian only reigns supreme when you deploy half your fleet as logi (seriously, its lame, get over it). And consider the new Mordus Orthrus, it's coco bananas crazy.

Will rebooting these entities create the dominant scary wormhole coalitions of before, or just another high-end T3 blobfest with masses of blue balls and once a month forum trolling BR's/vids which oversell the "excitement"of ragerolling all month to get one decent set of killmails on the alts of some nullsec alliance directors who are just farming their C5's to afford a third Nyx?

Who can tell. But there's a reason I quit running BUGRY, and it had more to do with members not pulling their weight, leaving too few to do too much, and resultant burnout. So, to all those rebooting this week, I hope you find a happy medium between work and pleasure, and find a way of doing things differently, despite CCP's useless POS mechanics and hilariously overly complicated nonfunctional corp administration system, and find a way to keep things interesting.

I think the difference, for me, is I don't take things so seriously now as I used to. Look at BRAVE - they have 8,400++ members because their members find things fun and don't get razzed for losing one ship.

Be honest. "Elite" wormhole PVP is who can bring the most guardians, the biggest blobs, and revolves around the member base living in the long grass to avoid scrutiny about how useless they are at actually fighting anything. This results in a lot of member turnover, stale doctrine fits and excessive caution. Hell, some months I've personally got more kills than some whole corporations, just by taking more risks in shallower seas with cheaper ships.

I have more fun taking out public roams weekly, and you know what happens when the fleet welps? People say they had fun. You know what happens when you get blueballed because people don't want to engage you? People hardly ever say they had fun.

Lowsec is where its at, boys. Just sayin'.

Wormholes are a PVE environment and PVP-oriented players have realised this and either moved out, or direct their action outside w-space and only farm the planets and sleepers inside.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Skewed perspective. "Big Groups" like yours with less kills/month avg than our small, mostly inactive alliance.

And both of our groups together ALL TIME TOTAL is still 100 kills less than one PVP player gets in a month in low sec.

Difficult maths, eh?

Rolled Out, age 2 months, total 213 kills
213/2 = 106.5 kills average / month

Unsettled, age 3 months, total 339 kills
339/3 = 113 kills average / month

Anyway, this is not a pissing contest, you guys are doing just fine and since we aren't a tryhardcore PVP group with **** to prove, I'm talking about w-space as a PVP environment- it simply does not provide the same level of access to round-the-clock pew as low sec.

Here's Snuff Box (low sec corp) kb for reference: http://zkillboard.com/corporation/701625211/stats/

W-space is fine if you like quiet evenings in good company, but PVP environment it is not. Yeah, sometimes good fights happen, but the fact is that elsewhere they happen all the time.

To be fair technically Rolled Out is only two weeks old, it was held by only an alt until we all joined. Feel free to check employment histories to confirm.

Lowsec has more action because it's more populated.

I disagree with "finding pew whenever you want it". It's simply not true anymore. I've been in w-space since 2011, and yeah, you used to quite easily find action on most nights, enough at least to keep you happy over the quiet nights. But today not finding anything to shoot is more common than finding something. You roll, scout, roll again, scout, roll, scout, and suddenly it's time to log off without having done anything productive for hours. Be honest, don't try claim that this doesn't happen.

So yes, low sec and wh are different play styles- lowsec is PVP play style for those who enjoy combat in this game, whs are for chilling on TS with corpmates -play style.

There are good recent developments (vet alliances reforming, Suddenly Spaceships moving to C5 space), so there is still hope- if the population grows quickly beyond the breaking point, we can break this vicious cycle of people moving out because there aren't enough people to support an active PVP play style, and it starts feeding itself in the other direction.