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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#1 - 2014-05-14 08:43:15 UTC
Its still like a thorn in the side that a spacegame like EVE dont have free flying or gives the players the freedom to fly or Warp in the directions they want. The game limits u to fly only to Points predetermined by the game. Space should be endless, which it isnt in EVE and that is just wrong. It traps players within the borders of the game and refuses players to explore what exploring should be.

Ive still not understood why not EVE in the beginning went for jumpgates and not system to system jump by locking on to the sun in the system u want to og to and u end up on the Outer borders of the system. But again, that would alter the approach on pvp abit since players aint forced to og thru bottlenecks like the jumpgates are.

But i do also see why CCP decided to remove more and more the abilities to navigate wherever u wanted to og, ultradeep safespots did that. But the constant regulations and restrictions also restrict the basic fun of what Space should be. The Space aint Limited within a set bubble of a system.

So what EVE claims to be exploring, aint exploring, its misleading by the limitations within EVE.
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#2 - 2014-05-14 08:52:07 UTC
Guess it could work with fixed camera or cockpit view - but their limitations may be the processing overhead.

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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#3 - 2014-05-14 08:54:01 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
Guess it could work with fixed camera or cockpit view - but their limitations may be the processing overhead.


no, in my opinion it wouldnt. What u see and how u see it aint the issue, its the lack of freedom to do what u like to do, thats the problem. :)
Victor Andall
#4 - 2014-05-14 09:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Andall
Yes, it is relatively endless. Try leaving your ship flying in one direction, see how much it takes you to hit the edge of the map.

And yes, CCP doesn't give you the luxury of warping off into deadspace where there is absolutely nothing because that would consume a metric buttload of server resources just so you can see more of the nothing.

But equating this to being boxed in in any way is just misinformation.

EDIT: Also, creating literally endless space in an MMO is impossible and pointless.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#5 - 2014-05-14 09:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Because jump gates are faster than warp? You really want to take days or weeks to travel to another star by simply warping?
Flying through the big empty I think would be boring.

In fact you can't even warp far, most of the trip is at best speed, taking months... or years. Space is big.
And yes, not even touching on the RL technical problems.
These aren't the droids you're looking for.

and edit: Insta-travel is for wizards with staffs... if you should say it doesn't need to take that long. Gates make perfect sense and would probably be a RL future. Through subspace. Maybe fold space, but New Eden isn't that advanced.

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Nakami Saans
Conclave of Independent Pilots
#6 - 2014-05-14 10:14:50 UTC
Aside from the technical limitations, being able to warp in any direction would give people the ability to create safe points so far off the grid you would never be able to find them. Shocked

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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#7 - 2014-05-14 10:28:34 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
Guess it could work with fixed camera or cockpit view - but their limitations may be the processing overhead.


no, in my opinion it wouldnt. What u see and how u see it aint the issue, its the lack of freedom to do what u like to do, thats the problem. :)


On reading further posts I understand what you mean ..I think.

So the issue as far as I can see is things being easy to warp to on scanner?

Now personally, if there was some controlled beacon which only you (or alliance corp) could possibly place in hidden sites then its a yes from me.

Generally deadspace but not marked on the map - massive deadspace pockets where we gould anchor a POS.

Can only be scanned down and warped to when within a certain distance maybe?
Which would mean bookmarking between warp destinations?

Where fleet battles have no warp and can only fight or flee under their own steam until out of the pocket?

If so sounds good to me Smile

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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#8 - 2014-05-14 10:29:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
pls delete

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-14 11:31:45 UTC
I don't see the point in going beyond the bounds of a star system, but I can see the argument for more freedom within the star system. I mean, it isn't like the spots with waypoints on them are the only ones that exist.

I wouldn't make it a priority though. There might end up being more freedom but it isn't a freedom many people would use. It'd be a bit of a novelty - fly out into black space, then realize that there's nothing all that interesting about black space.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-05-14 11:33:44 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Because jump gates are faster than warp? You really want to take days or weeks to travel to another star by simply warping?

13 hours to travel 6 light years in an interceptor.
So it's not that bad.

Of course, you couldn't really make this in one jump because capacitor.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Solecist Project
#11 - 2014-05-14 11:35:35 UTC
You can create bookmarks in space during warp.
You can go capdry and initiate warp somewhere,
ending up long before you reach that point.
You can doubleclick in space and the ship accelerates in that direction.

What you want is there already.
You simply don't accept it, because your ego wants it differently.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#12 - 2014-05-14 11:39:43 UTC
Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as numbers increase. ...The human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence is possible for those who do survive.
- Frank Herbert, Dune (1965)

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#13 - 2014-05-14 11:49:31 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Of course, you couldn't really make this in one jump because capacitor.
Yeah I sort of mentioned that Blink
Someone tried it long ago, they didn't succeed Lol
I heard theoretically it can be done, or used to a possibility but I think has changed since then.
Just warp to the sun (in-system star) and try making it to the center. Someone did that before, took a looong time all I remember.

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Nakami Saans
Conclave of Independent Pilots
#14 - 2014-05-14 12:03:46 UTC
Webvan wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Of course, you couldn't really make this in one jump because capacitor.
Yeah I sort of mentioned that Blink
Someone tried it long ago, they didn't succeed Lol
I heard theoretically it can be done, or used to a possibility but I think has changed since then.
Just warp to the sun (in-system star) and try making it to the center. Someone did that before, took a looong time all I remember.



From what I recall, someone tried to make it to Jove space by flying through conventional means and using the star map. I'm not sure how long it took them but they technically made it the closest Jovian system according to the star map but since they didn't use a stargate their session never changed from their departing star system thus they were in empty space even though they should have been in the Jovian system.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#15 - 2014-05-14 12:10:40 UTC
Nakami Saans wrote:


From what I recall, someone tried to make it to Jove space by flying through conventional means and using the star map. I'm not sure how long it took them but they technically made it the closest Jovian system according to the star map but since they didn't use a stargate their session never changed from their departing star system thus they were in empty space even though they should have been in the Jovian system.
I don't think that was it, but I don't doubt someone tried. It was just to another regular system, and I remember a dev giving an explanation. Tears ago.. er years ago. Then it was something about how you could, but then the system was changed or something. Back on the old forums was the discussion.

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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#16 - 2014-05-14 12:39:32 UTC
Nakami Saans wrote:
Webvan wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Of course, you couldn't really make this in one jump because capacitor.
Yeah I sort of mentioned that Blink
Someone tried it long ago, they didn't succeed Lol
I heard theoretically it can be done, or used to a possibility but I think has changed since then.
Just warp to the sun (in-system star) and try making it to the center. Someone did that before, took a looong time all I remember.



From what I recall, someone tried to make it to Jove space by flying through conventional means and using the star map. I'm not sure how long it took them but they technically made it the closest Jovian system according to the star map but since they didn't use a stargate their session never changed from their departing star system thus they were in empty space even though they should have been in the Jovian system.


I could imagine a mechanic where while on this route a nomadic group might get picked up by player owned scanning module and then have to hunt them down before they get to the 'safe' system.

As you get closer a special ship type or module would be used as a directional scan to give which direction for the inties to hunt and follow.

Multiple squads in different areas would position to get in front of the opponents.

I would be happy with this.

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Solecist Project
#17 - 2014-05-14 12:55:05 UTC
The person in question used an old mechanic not longer available.

There were deep space probes which could be warped to.

Too bad he didn't figure a way out and didn't save the bookmark or share it publicly,
otoh since CCP changed all bookmarks to within 20 AU from the furthest celdstial,
it wouldn't be valid anymore anyway.

I would have loved to test if I can't force ... *cough*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#18 - 2014-05-14 13:38:30 UTC
Jumpgates, wh and cyno is the only way to travel from one system to another, ergo leaving exploring without a fundamental purpose. Many wants to explore into Jove and the UAA-F4, but that cant be done, since CCP has removed every little possibility of exploring. The question is why CCP made these 2 region visible to players, when they cant og there... but thats a another discussion...

anyways, the fundamental With exploring is to be able to fly long distances without go by gates, wh or cyno's, ending up somewhere New. But thats against CCP ideas, cuz EVE is primarly a PVP game. If u go to a backwashed system on the egde of the map, there is nothing there different than other systems around, the only thing thats for sure, u will at some point end up dead by other players... as the rest of null and lowsec, except u got blue standing.

A truly good exploring addition, would make it benefitiary to work With other players u meet while exploring New ground.
But again, CCP dont want u to explore (ergo no gates or wh into Jove or UAA-F4).

And if CCP finally would add a New exploring addition, they would have to put in gates or wh in these systems/regions, ergo ruin the posibility to make it real exploring. Its a downward spiral.... And i doubt big that CCP will change that, cuz it will alter so much within the game With the possibilities to be able to jump from one system to another without gates ect.


The trip to Jove Space, With Warp probes, thats what i call exploring, be able to go where u shouldnt be able to go

"You can create bookmarks in space during warp.
You can go capdry and initiate warp somewhere,
ending up long before you reach that point.
You can doubleclick in space and the ship accelerates in that direction.

What you want is there already.
You simply don't accept it, because your ego wants it differently. "


What i want, aint there, and yes, it is my ego talking, but i belive it would make a much more interesting game if EVE actually contained Exploration and not what they "advertize" it to be... cuz thats just a can of horseshite tbh :D
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#19 - 2014-05-14 13:47:19 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
The person in question used an old mechanic not longer available.

There were deep space probes which could be warped to.

Too bad he didn't figure a way out and didn't save the bookmark or share it publicly,
otoh since CCP changed all bookmarks to within 20 AU from the furthest celdstial,
it wouldn't be valid anymore anyway.

I would have loved to test if I can't force ... *cough*


There's a video of this on youtube. That guy visited more then just one Jove system, I think.

Also even earlier, you could just pod jump to Jove space. CCP had to disable the medical services in Jove space to prevent this.
Solecist Project
#20 - 2014-05-14 13:51:07 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
The person in question used an old mechanic not longer available.

There were deep space probes which could be warped to.

Too bad he didn't figure a way out and didn't save the bookmark or share it publicly,
otoh since CCP changed all bookmarks to within 20 AU from the furthest celdstial,
it wouldn't be valid anymore anyway.

I would have loved to test if I can't force ... *cough*


There's a video of this on youtube. That guy visited more then just one Jove system, I think.

Also even earlier, you could just pod jump to Jove space. CCP had to disable the medical services in Jove space to prevent this.

I know. :)

... but thanks. Very kind of you to point it out. (:

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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