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Unfortunately if the high-sec POCO introduction is anything to go by then you are totally correct in saying that. And at 50 mill ISK for a small tower it will cost them less to do it than the POCOs cost to build.

Is there going to be a change so that offline towers are either automatically destroyed by faction navies or CONCORD or that anyone can take them down without paying for a war-dec ?

You also need to think about 2 skills supply chain management and scientific networking which allow for remote use of bpos from a station, whats going to happen to those skills which will now be close to useless?

Devil's Advocate...

This delay will keep people subscribed through the second financial quarter (end of June).

/sarcasm.

I would hardly be called a goon lover

That being said, after trying to explain to many people over the years about ME, PE and how it all ties together, it was painful.

After cussing at my monitor the other night, my wife who can barely add 2+2, understood the concept of ME 0-10 in 5 minutes. She isn't dumb by any means, but she doesn't get math very easily.

This isn't dumbing the game down, it is opening it to a wider audience.

You have done nothing to make my friends and I re-consider our decision to cease empire industry. At the last count 15 accounts had been mothballed a few more will go in the coming weeks.

We have one POS remaining to finish off some work and with the delay may add some research jobs but I am not sure any of us can be arsed.

Remember eve is supposed to be fun no matter if you blowing crap up or making ISK from mining, industry and PVE. The changes to Industry in particular the need to have the BPO in the POS makes having a research POS to damn risky. Then you have the need to move BPO's to different system to build so unlock the BPO, undock, pop your BPO is gone. No thanks.

The changes increase the risk for established industry corps based in empire to the point where the risk is too great, the game becomes a job. Why bother? We all have jobs in real life we don't want another.

Not all our accounts have been mothballed some may decided to do some PVE or join a null sec alliance, most have the funds to plex their accounts for a long time. However doing industry in empire, you can shove that where the sun don't shine.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Instant undocks are instant. Even an orca leaving a medium POS is in warp before it's out of the shields.

There's 0 risk in hisec, as long as you log in daily.

Hey, I'm totally not goon, but like the upcoming changes for most of their features. And honestly, I totally don't care if some of my margins drop a bit, since the new UI will probably lead to a good 50% saving in installation time (at the least!) and so I could simply use double the current accounts and spew out even more profit. Teams are a nice way for the little guys to "leech" at the labor of bigger industrialists that are going to ensure a nice supply of good teams for their hubs.



Ehrm... you really think they will be able to get more than a handful of toons to do S&I slave work, besides the regular staff? Remember whom you are talking about. Le great mittens once made it pretty clear, that "In an alliance or corporation, industrialists are completely irrelevant [...]".

Since Pandemic Legion has half a dozen players and a dozen total toons, I'll guess I'll have to reassess my belief that this disaster will allow large alliances to crush small corps with a few casual players. My bad.

All along I found the huge number of changes to be absolutely bizarre so I am not suprised. I haven't met a single person yet that knows what the net results will be of all these changes. In my opinion CCP should release all of the changes except for the idea of "teams". Reason being is that the goal of the revamp of industry is to spread industry out and try and get some industry into null sec. The concept of teams runs counter to spreading things out and also would allow someone to temporarily flood the market with very cheap items. The net result is wild volatility in material intensive items. I would release everything but teams and if the market still needs to be decentralized, release it later.

1) They said they want it to be both push and pull. Pull you into joining one of the few mega alliances, because they are going to push casual industrialists out of the game.

2) Temporary? Nah. The mega alliances will bid up the best teams, then gank anyone trying to move into system to take advantage. The prices will adjust to the new "minimum cost to manufacture", so profits will remain mega thin, but all those profits will be going to the members of the mega alliances.

3) I don't see volatility. I simply see prices adjusting to the new "minimum cost of manufacturing", which will be the mega alliances migrating around between fully upgraded null outposts that are loaded up with all the best teams, and small corps just mining and compressing to sell their ores to the big guys. (Assuming CCP gives us a way to remove the POSes placed and abandoned by the big guys all over high sec. Otherwise we'll just be selling them our uncompressed ore for an even lower price.