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Calculations of Costs Compared to Ingame Income to Derive the actual amount of real Ingame Profit.

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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-05-13 20:40:29 UTC
In the meantime I started a new BS to Blop.

I`m just going to buy my first Domi later on today before my skill queue expires.


I`d have already bought the trained pilot without the equips at my costs.

Over $100 so far.

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GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#82 - 2014-05-13 22:46:37 UTC
I read every page and still don't know what is going on in this thread. Best I can tell, everytime I go AFK to poop, it costs me a couple million ISK.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#83 - 2014-05-13 22:50:33 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
I read every page and still don't know what is going on in this thread. Best I can tell, everytime I go AFK to poop, it costs me a couple million ISK.


NECROOOOOOOOOOOO !



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2014-05-13 22:50:42 UTC
I'm a bit troubled that you are switching back and forth between billions and millions, utilizing the "1.5m" isk format on your first post.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#85 - 2014-05-14 02:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
Erufen Rito wrote:
I'm a bit troubled that you are switching back and forth between billions and millions, utilizing the "1.5m" isk format on your first post.

Sorry, where in the first post?

It seems the post was modified from 1.18 billion ISK to 1.18 m ISK and so forth.

It is obvious that 590m x2 = 1.18b isk, not 1.18 m ISK.

I wouldn't be surprised that there is an error in the calculation or that the post itself was changed.
I don't have a Read-only CD version of it.


I'm not and won't be trying to offer criticism services or disagree to increase arguments levels.
The point of this thread (as for most other of my threads) were not intended to argue.
If that is the case, and most of those replying prefer that to be the case, despite my efforts, we should make separate ones.
We could then review all the topics discussed and argue and make points to argue even if it leads to warfare.

Maybe we could get agreement to invest into blatant verbal argument and comments which would be more harsh in their tone.
Not that it would convey the meaning of what I intended, but if "most people" replying want it, why argue?

One of the worst limitation would be to create the conditions in which this could occur, like in a sandbox.

The most sad part of it is that the subjects are being changed into other meanings by arguments.
Some of those arguments being dissenting and worst.
There may be valid grounds for warfare, who knows.
I guess we can't find out without testing or trying.

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Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#86 - 2014-05-14 02:33:19 UTC
Is this how much RMT you would need to do to make EVE a viable basement dwelling income?

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-05-14 02:36:37 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Is this how much RMT you would need to do to make EVE a viable basement dwelling income?

no

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Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#88 - 2014-05-14 02:38:06 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Is this how much RMT you would need to do to make EVE a viable basement dwelling income?

no

Really?

I saw a whole lot of math, a whole lot of math

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Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2014-05-14 02:47:53 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:
I'm a bit troubled that you are switching back and forth between billions and millions, utilizing the "1.5m" isk format on your first post.

Sorry, where in the first post?

It seems the post was modified from 1.18 billion ISK to 1.18 m ISK and so forth.

It is obvious that 590m x2 = 1.18b isk, not 1.18 m ISK.

I wouldn't be surprised that there is an error in the calculation or that the post itself was changed.
I don't have a Read-only CD version of it.


I'm not and won't be trying to offer criticism services or disagree to increase arguments levels.
The point of this thread (as for most other of my threads) were not intended to argue.
If that is the case, and most of those replying prefer that to be the case, despite my efforts, we should make separate ones.
We could then review all the topics discussed and argue and make points to argue even if it leads to warfare.

Maybe we could get agreement to invest into blatant verbal argument and comments which would be more harsh in their tone.
Not that it would convey the meaning of what I intended, but if "most people" replying want it, why argue?

One of the worst limitation would be to create the conditions in which this could occur, like in a sandbox.

The most sad part of it is that the subjects are being changed into other meanings by arguments.
Some of those arguments being dissenting and worst.
There may be valid grounds for warfare, who knows.
I guess we can't find out without testing or trying.

Here, and on

Quote:

$35 for a month (30 days+) is equal to 2 PLEX which is equal to 1.18m ISK (at 590m ISK per PLEX on the market in Jita IV).
That is equal to $35 for 720 hours (at 30 days x 24 hours) .
= 1.63m ISK / hr in relative equivalent costs. Or 3.26m ISK per hour = 1.63m ISK profit / hr. 4.89m ISK income - costs = 3.26m ISK profit.

If $55 for a month , it is equivalent to 3 PLEX at 1.77m ISK.
= 2.45m ISK / hr cost equivalent related to profit margin.

@ $5 / 3 hours internet costs = 42.5m ISK / hr income at 590m ISK for 1 PLEx. (4 x 3 hours = 12 hours = $20 = 1 PLEX.)

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-05-14 03:23:23 UTC
br-r-r-a-a-a-aaaaa-aa-a-i-i-i-iiii-i-iii-i-nnnns?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-05-14 16:02:05 UTC
Either way, I cannot fix the first post until I log in to that account (hopefully before 3 months).

Erufen Rito wrote:
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:
... switching back and forth between billions and millions, utilizing the "1.5m" isk format on your first post.

...
It seems the post was modified from 1.18 billion ISK to 1.18 m ISK and so forth.

It is obvious that 590m x2 = 1.18b isk, not 1.18m ISK.

I wouldn't be surprised that there is an error in the calculation or that the post itself was changed.
I don't have a Read-only CD version of it.

...

Here, and on

Quote:

$35 for a month (30 days+) is equal to 2 PLEX which is equal to 1.18m ISK (at 590m ISK per PLEX on the market in Jita IV).
That is equal to $35 for 720 hours (at 30 days x 24 hours) .
= 1.63m ISK / hr in relative equivalent costs. Or 3.26m ISK per hour = 1.63m ISK profit / hr. 4.89m ISK income - costs = 3.26m ISK profit.

If $55 for a month , it is equivalent to 3 PLEX at 1.77m ISK.
= 2.45m ISK / hr cost equivalent related to profit margin.

@ $5 / 3 hours internet costs = 42.5m ISK / hr income at 590m ISK for 1 PLEx. (4 x 3 hours = 12 hours = $20 = 1 PLEX.)


In:
$35 for a month (30 days+) is equal to 2 PLEX which is equal to 1.18m ISK (at 590m ISK per PLEX on the market in Jita IV).
That is equal to $35 for 720 hours (at 30 days x 24 hours) .
= 1.63m ISK / hr in relative equivalent costs. Or 3.26m ISK per hour = 1.63m ISK profit / hr. 4.89m ISK income - costs = 3.26m ISK profit.

If $55 for a month , it is equivalent to 3 PLEX at 1.77m ISK.
= 2.45m ISK / hr cost equivalent related to profit margin.

@ $5 / 3 hours internet costs = 42.5m ISK / hr income at 590m ISK for 1 PLEx. (4 x 3 hours = 12 hours = $20 = 1 PLEX.)

Should be:
$35 for a month (30 days+) is equal to 2 PLEX which is equal to 1.18b ISK (at 590m ISK per PLEX on the market in Jita IV) (not m).


If $55 for a month , it is equivalent to 3 PLEX at 1.77m ISK.
Should be:
If $55 for a month , it is equivalent to 3 PLEX at 1.77b ISK (not m).

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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#92 - 2014-05-14 16:04:46 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I too can use a **** load of math to make myself seem intelligent.


The number of ****s I give = 0

The number of people who think theyre the space rainman = 5000 (approx.)

Now, if you take the number of ****s I give times the number of space rainmen, you once again arrive at the number of ****s I give.

Math proof: 5000 x 0 = 0.

Yeah! Math *****!



Didn't work!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#93 - 2014-05-14 16:06:24 UTC
How all maths and this thread makes me feel;

http://bit.ly/1qD4eNM

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2014-05-14 16:44:36 UTC
It doesn't make sense.

Game time - the game is available 23x7.

A "game month" would be ~690 hours, not 720.

Taking full internet service fees is wrong. If you didn't play EVE anymore, I seriously doubt you'd dump your internet service.

30 x 24 is the availability of your internet service - only the time in EVE should be allocated as an EVE based expense.

As such, you're looking at around $0.87 an hour for each hour you play and only *THAT* should be used in your formula to calculate those costs.


PLEX and/or subscription fees are different because the game works and you can earn/spend while not online (manufacturing & marketing) but ... It's just stretched too far out there in strangeness.

Very odd. logic.
Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2014-05-14 16:53:05 UTC
I would like the amount of isk it cost me to read this thread back please. Oh and the 15 minutes of my life.
Organic Lager
Drinking Buddies
#96 - 2014-05-14 17:03:08 UTC
What is this and why is it back?
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-05-14 17:12:02 UTC
Gotta love that 1 ISK CPSA.

I do include the posting time and posting costs in my calculations.

Right now, it costs me nothing but time to post it, but even that is something I don't have enough of.


Btw, my fiancee has no internet for 3 years already and we're trying to make arrangement for her to get an account.

Quit making false assumption to make me seem wrong while trying to divert me from caring for our family.

You make statement about conditions which you pretend exist when in fact there are other conditions in play.


And don't think you can repay me for the waste of time.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#98 - 2014-05-14 17:15:16 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:


Quit.... trying to divert me from caring for our family.



Not about you specifically, but I would give anything for that superpower

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Noriko Mai
#99 - 2014-05-14 17:22:09 UTC
I earn ISK in eve faster than equivalent bucks IRL CryCryCryCryCry

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-05-14 17:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
Well, there you have it...

I want my calculations to be accurate to the hundredth of ISK, or to the isk double.


I could earn more ingame ISK than I make in real life.
That would allow me to transfer game time for PLEX.

However , at over 10 accounts, that would get quite expensive.
I don't think that would cover for 10 accounts per month even though it may.

I got my first battleship yesterday since someone told me that it wouldn't be worth it.

It was worth it to me although that the delay to get it and other income related matter diminished the value.


Ramona McCandless wrote:
Not about you specifically, ...

Well, yes about me specifically and her too. They're more socially oriented, granted.
But it doesn't change the fact that others do have internet and so could she.
I don't want to get involved in political discussion here. Not that I am afraid or evasive.

I'm old and we're also planning to have a child.
The responsibility for me to care for those factors is not from a political system or even due to political factors.
The reason why rather is of greater scope.

Edit 2:
Either way, the reason I re-activated was because I wanted the Catalyst collection before it would be gone.
It worked and I'm glad I got at least one. I might want more. Maybe a whole fleet of Quafe Catalyst , why not.
There are none for sale. (They are 80m in demand.)

I also got a blue print, 2 Quafe shirts and verified for Prototype Cerebral Accelerator ($20).
I would have still saved $100 in game time to get a new Blop.

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