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Access to Old Ship Models (NES, Ship Customization, or other means)
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CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#41 - 2014-05-13 19:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CETA Elitist
Edited to hide the painful truth.

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Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#42 - 2014-05-14 01:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
CETA Elitist wrote:

CERA Elitist wrote:

CEVA Elitist wrote:


Stop trolling my thread with your alt army.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#43 - 2014-05-14 02:51:59 UTC
I like the idea a lot-

Have the old ships as alternatives, just like with the alternate skin BPCs

We could have the old Apoc, Domi, Mega, Scorpion, et cetera, just for cosmetic fun reasons-

+1 here

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Xeator
soldiers.fi
#44 - 2014-05-14 04:52:38 UTC
Losing the Moa will be tough.

I always thought it looked so damn ugly, but it grew on me and I love it for its derpy looks.

I approve your idea.
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-05-19 09:38:43 UTC
+1 from me.

stuff like the old Scorp looked like they were designed by someone who had never seen a Scorpion running around. considering the lore, that makes sense.

and the business chicken is an acquired taste over many years. the new Firefly looks nice, sure, but it just ain't a business chicken...

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-05-26 21:16:27 UTC
Kate Blaze wrote:
There are so many issues with having old models that I don't think it's feasible from programmers POV.


Wouldn't this just be a database and client side issue?

database

1=new model
0=old model

Kate_Blaze_Ships
Moa_Model[1111]=0
Moa_Model[1112]=1

Then its a simple matter of passing this info to the player clients so it knows which model to render.
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#47 - 2014-05-30 02:52:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Kate Blaze wrote:
There are so many issues with having old models that I don't think it's feasible from programmers POV.


Wouldn't this just be a database and client side issue?

database

1=new model
0=old model

Kate_Blaze_Ships
Moa_Model[1111]=0
Moa_Model[1112]=1

Then its a simple matter of passing this info to the player clients so it knows which model to render.


I'd imagine it's quite a bit more complicated than that. I just don't think it's too complicated to be feasible. But I appreciate your support because the support of other players is what truly counts here.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Zander Kumamato
The Chaos Void
#48 - 2014-05-30 10:46:52 UTC
Hasril Pux wrote:
One of the biggest draws to this game for me was the outlandish and asymmetrical design of some of my favorite ships, such as the old Scorpion, the old Stabber and the old (recently lost) Tristan model. And, call me a weirdo, but my very favorite ship design in the game is the Chris Foss-esque Moa. Now, as I understand it, that is also about to be lost.

I'd like to know if the developers of this game would be interested in implementing a way to buy back the older models, so that old dogs like me can fly around in our ugly pieces of junk if we really want to. And I really want to. I would pay cashy monies just to have my old ugly Stabber back, and to keep my Moas and my Gilas the way they are.



Since they're releasing all these new ships or whatever with skins wouldn't it make sense to keep the old skins available and just add the new skins for these ships as a new ship design...

like "The empire/etc have finally updated their ships with new more advanced designs while the old workhorses still exist around new eden"
Saint Germain
Sekundu
#49 - 2014-05-30 17:05:48 UTC
I suggested something like this at the EVE Vision round table at Fanfest. I had two ideas/solutions to the problem of weird-ship-likers.

One was to have a line of ship models, Moa Mark I, Moa Mark II, and so on. The default Moa will change over when a patch makes changes to the model, but a player can change an individual model back if they want.

More of an issue was the change to the Moa's slot layout and bonuses, but I think the game is big enough to allow variations there too. If you see a strategic cruiser on scan, you don't know its slot layout, do you? At least if you saw a Phantasm Mark II you could go look it up, rather that be miffed that it was able to launch missiles at you!

I think your arguments are all sound, but the bottom line here seems to be that the EVE art department thinks certain ship designs are not cool, and they want them gone. I even suggested that they keep the old models to 'preserve the history of EVE,' but that didn't seem to matter either. The best we can hope for is that the old ship design be used for certain faction ships, like Guristas rats.
jack firestar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-05-30 17:27:27 UTC
I am a new player and as such my opinion does not hold much merit in this discussion that being said i would like to see old ships for the pure sake of universe continuity letting old ships be out there would lend to this era's lore (i.e. just because a new model of the same type of car comes out IRL doesn't mean all your cars go poof to the new model) it would be hard but id also enjoy the different models having different specs giving pilots the chance to use the understanding to there advantage now i understand the different specs might be unattainable but the looks would be nice but again i wish to point out a new player.
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#51 - 2014-05-30 22:02:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
jack firestar wrote:
I am a new player and as such my opinion does not hold much merit in this discussion that being said i would like to see old ships for the pure sake of universe continuity letting old ships be out there would lend to this era's lore (i.e. just because a new model of the same type of car comes out IRL doesn't mean all your cars go poof to the new model) it would be hard but id also enjoy the different models having different specs giving pilots the chance to use the understanding to there advantage now i understand the different specs might be unattainable but the looks would be nice but again i wish to point out a new player.

Don't let people tell you that your "age as a player" means your words have less value. To hell with that kind of elitist mentality. The fact that you are a new player who has the same sentiment towards older ship designs as a 10 year veteran just adds strength to the argument.

Saint Germain wrote:
I suggested something like this at the EVE Vision round table at Fanfest. I had two ideas/solutions to the problem of weird-ship-likers.

One was to have a line of ship models, Moa Mark I, Moa Mark II, and so on. The default Moa will change over when a patch makes changes to the model, but a player can change an individual model back if they want.

More of an issue was the change to the Moa's slot layout and bonuses, but I think the game is big enough to allow variations there too. If you see a strategic cruiser on scan, you don't know its slot layout, do you? At least if you saw a Phantasm Mark II you could go look it up, rather that be miffed that it was able to launch missiles at you!

I think your arguments are all sound, but the bottom line here seems to be that the EVE art department thinks certain ship designs are not cool, and they want them gone. I even suggested that they keep the old models to 'preserve the history of EVE,' but that didn't seem to matter either. The best we can hope for is that the old ship design be used for certain faction ships, like Guristas rats.

Personally, I'm going to throw out all thinking about differing slot layouts and just concentrate on getting the artwork back. I definitely agree that would be cool, but I know how quickly a detail like that can dissuade game developers from considering an idea, due to it's very complicated and involved implementation. Not to mention the outcry from players who would howl bloody murder at the "imbalance" of adding so many variations into the mix.

I don't care what the EVE art department thinks about the original art. They're wrong. I don't mind telling them that to their faces. I respect their own personal visions, but I think they should rather augment the art of the universe rather than totally replace it. I love the old designs and I will fight for their return until I can type no-longer.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-06-03 13:11:20 UTC
Yeah the old lay slot layouts and bonuses, roles, drone bays, all of that, have been balanced for reasons, even if we don't necessarily agree with all of them, and should remain consistent instead of ship x having 4 different slot/role/attribute lay outs all being completely different ships.


The art models, on the other hand, have no bearing on game balance/mechanics and should remain in the game when new models come in, even if it's an aurum deal or something like that instead of being force phased out.

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Ran Dimaloun
Order and Prosperity
#53 - 2014-06-03 22:24:40 UTC
+1

I'd love to see the old apoc back. As a purchaseable skin or just as an apocalypse MK.I
I think most the people who would like their ship models back aren't expecting the same old textures and rendering, as that would look out of place with the rest of the game. Just getting the shape back would be great. A lot of these still exist as rats, so they are somewhat in the game. I just wish I could fly them!

Jolareian
#54 - 2014-06-04 13:23:55 UTC
Agree with OP.

I posted my thoughts when I found out about this 2 days ago here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4665378#post4665378

The fact that the old models already exist (ie, they don't need to be created de novo) combined with the fact (at least I would assume it's a fact...I'd be surprised if they couldn't) that they could be rendered individually per-client and not globally on the server point to this being a trivial feature request. If they wanted to charge for it, it's all the better for CCP and the move that the gaming industry is making toward microtransactions.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#55 - 2014-06-04 13:27:18 UTC
If the beautification of Eve is your goal with removing old models, CCP, just bring them back with higher definition skins. The low definition skins and textures are what makes Eve ugly.

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Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-06-04 19:49:08 UTC
in my opinion they should have kept the old models for the T1 models, and made the T2 ships ahve the updated models.
Khadhir Hashul
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-06-06 03:33:54 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
No, they're absolutely horrible and need to die. Sorry...

Wow, bro, nice opinion. I'm sure people care about it a lot.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-06-08 02:31:23 UTC
At fanfest I did suggest at a round table that any existing ship retains the old shapes and ones built afterwards are new shape. That way the older ships become more rare over time as there will never be any more made.

I forget which dev I was speaking to but it was a no from them because of "reasons"

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Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#59 - 2014-06-08 20:49:46 UTC
Christopher AET wrote:
At fanfest I did suggest at a round table that any existing ship retains the old shapes and ones built afterwards are new shape. That way the older ships become more rare over time as there will never be any more made.

I forget which dev I was speaking to but it was a no from them because of "reasons"


I can only speculate that they weighed the values of adding programming to support that kind of idea vs the fact that the ships would not only become rare, but would diminish and eventually disappear.

I'm hoping that vintage ships through some form of customization would actually gain popularity over time and justify the amount of programming necessary to make it so.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#60 - 2014-06-13 17:05:03 UTC
I added a list of older models requested so far. If your favorite is not on this list please let me know and I'll list it.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.