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I don't know where these highsec manufacturing alts are. Every time I warp into a new region, if I check the manufacturing slots available it shows green (availability now) for the whole region, except maybe 1 or 2 stations that have jobs installed to run for 1 day, though usually it's 5 or 6 hours.

How will team bidding work in wormhole systems?

^ okay



That's a pretty good incentive for doing industry in a wormhole, i guess.

Not a fan. Seems like it takes any predictability out of the industry side of the game. Just another kick in the groin of the casual industrial people who need to maximize every bit of profit they can. Maybe this will finally break my addiction to to throwing money at CCP.

These changes are nonsensical in the context of other more "Eve like" opportunities to deal with the proximity of manufacturing to market access dynamics. Why not just let people see which other players are hogging system resources and let war dec mechanics sort out access to resources? While slots are going away, if we could easily see which players hog which resources, the basic idea behind Eve could be put into effect. Let the basic war dynamic cull industry.

The narrative idea of workforce burnt out on drug use is obnoxious and as an asthetic or logic seems unsophisticated. Specialized labor forces, let's say surgeons, are not highly trained and then set up to be ticking time bombs. The analogy as is is more like workers putting out run away reactor fires. The narrative analogy for the workforce, while not a game mechanic per se, is off putting. If the booster analogy is going forward, why not make it a player side modifier? Keeping a workforce in place increases the value of that system relative to another system.

Why not use other narrative elements to motivate market hub diffusion? Like, why not tax Gallente products made in Caldari systems (or npc faction stations in a system, etc.)? Or integrate the uniqueid on items like ships to tax items based on their manufactured system vs selling system? Many smaller market hubs might pop up along trade routes as manufacturers move to systems for positive, not negative reasons. Incent people to spread out, do not punish them for staying.

Also, admittedly obscure, why introduce cost factors that are essentially arbitrary inflation? Resource contention by system as expressed in labor costs has a game narrative appeal, but it will cause a downstream cost where every upstream provider in the manfucturing chain does not benefit. More isk will be required to buy the same product, but that incresed isk leaves game play. It is a form of usury that undercuts the genius of something like PLEX if we consider that PLEX checks the hyperinflation and appeal of gold farmers in a game. Inflation may be inevitable but why fan the flames?

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1st off - Is what is on SISI now what we end up with on TQ come Cruis?
If yes, NOT GOOD there is sooooooo much wrong here it is hard to know where to start.
Team Chartering - What are the arrows (up down tab) for, when "TEAM CHARTERING" is at the top (arrows facing down) it is populated, when the name is at the bottom (search for new teams), it remains un-populated, without selecting 2 of 9 or 10 available options.
World, Region, System option for searching for teams you may want to bid on seems a little pointless, or is there a cost related to how far they have to travel.

Once you have the right type of teams selected (maybe) you can start mousing over each one to see what it does - Don't expect too much here, again there is a severe lack of useful information. Relevant information is Greyed out and requires 20 X 20 vision (or better) to read, as it is not highlighted when mousing over the team.
Allotek Industries - Specialties, Capital class -1%, Carrier -4% ( I think, it is really quite difficult to read) Salary 5%
Zero-G Research - Capital class - 4%, Salary 6%
Is a non research specialized team meant to have better attributes than a specifc research team? Or are the names simply there and have no correlation to what they do?
Your putting something new out there - Label it so users know what ; 1, they are looking at, 2, what to look for.

Sort of populated- the whole middle section "Specialties" is barely ledgible, having to mouse over every single team to find the 1 that might suit you is painful overly complicated and time consuming, to say the least. On top of that I had to get 5 inches from my screen to read the % in their specialties, being an older guy with failing eyesight really does suck when Devs don't take you into consideration during design stage.

Just curious;
Archon BPO - Researching to lvl 3
No Skills required
1 day, 5 hrs, 45 mins
165,584 isk
Why would one even bother paying extra for a specialized team, which by looking at the available information is going to add to the cost?
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I tried to install a job, simply to see the process complete. After several attempts, the outcome is below.
Information; Job not installed
Unable to install job due to the following reasons:
The job cost has changed

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Error.MISMATCH_COST (165584, 180550)

Seems there might be something wrong with job installation process. I didn't change anything, except the job runs, which gave the same result each time but with varying "mismatch_cost".


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Team Auction - You can't actually bid on teams on SISI - Enter a system in "Search for solar system", "Enter amount" and "Bid" button stays greyed out. There is no explanation as to why, it just doesn't activate.
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Is there some logic behind -
1 ME = 5 hrs, 15 mins, 10,666 isk
2ME = 12 hrs, 30 mins, 49,303 isk
3 ME = 1 day, 5 hrs, 45 mins, 165,584 isk
With unlimited slots, I'll just put it in for 1 ME @ 5 hours & 10,666 isk each day until I get it to maximum ME of 10. It will take me 10 days and cost 106,660 isk.
By my (horrible) math it works out far cheaper than using teams & or doing multiple runs.

When looking t the benefits vs cost of a team, I agree and posted in the relevant thread about making the cost vs benefit of teams clearer.

It makes no sense for a team to give say 2.5% greater ME efficiency, and then cost you 6% in salary. I'm betting that the 6% would be 6% of the install fee, not the job market value.

1 me = 10666/315 = 33.86 isk/min (5h 15 min)
2 me = (49303-10666)/(750-315) = 38637/435 = 88.82 isk/min (7h 15 min)
3 me = (165584-(49303+10666)) / (1785-(750+315)) = (165584-59969) / (1785-1065) =105615 / 720 = 146.68 isk / min (12h)

weh?

Heavy Energy Neutralizer I blueprint
Ainaillie Station Duvolle Lab factory Sinq Lasion Tax 10%
Metallurgy 5
ME Change- Cost - Time
0-1 - 425 - 00:00:11:49
0-2 - 2020 - 00:00:28:08
0-3 - 7209 - 00:01:06:57
0-4 - 22728 - 00:02:39:05
0-5 - 66375 - 00:06:18:00
0-6 - 182673 - 00:15:00:00
0-7 - 464305 - 01:11:37:30
0-8 -1040927 - 03:12:51:12
0-9 - 1878784 - 08:09:56:15
0-10 - 2679786 - 20:00:00:00

1-2 - 591 - 00:00:16:19
1-3 - 4508 - 00:0055:08
1-4 - 18002 - 00:02:27:16
1-5 - 58698 - 00:06:06:12

2-3 - 1406 - 00:00:38:49
2-4 - 9442 - 00:02:10:57
2-5 - 37530 - 00:05:49:53
2-10 - 2296236 - 19:23:31:53

3-5 - 25181 - 00:05:11:04
3-10 2349276 - 19:22:52:00
Going just from 0-1 and then 1-2 you save 1,004 isk as opposed to going from 0-2 in one step.
From 0-1,1-2,2-3, (three steps) you save 4,787 isk as opposed to going from 0-3 in one step.

from 0-10 costs 2,679,786
Going from 0-2,2-10 costs 2,298,256
A savings of 381,530 isk

from 0-3, 3-5 costs 32,390 - from 0-5 -66,375

My Revelation's Material level job costs 2,393,815,667 isk and will take 105:09:52:30 to go from 8-9 ME