EVE General Discussion

I burned out fast, mixing solo play with teamplay did not work, however I don't regret to bring up people to do the same, but for me its best to just concentrate on what I'm doing, the only way I'm in full control...

Yes, you're right, of course. Suicide ganking someones ship has never caused a player, new or old, to leave eve. (This is sarcaism)

And this is important because...?

Is EvE special in some way that we should be pandering to those who dont like it?

When someone tries to play, for the sake of argument, CoD, and gets killed because they find the controls difficult or dont understand the game mechanics and quits, should EA change that game to suit them?

No, that would be stupid.

By the same yardstick if some one cannot tell that a 30,000EHP Proc is a ship that will more likely survive a gank than a 10,000 EHP Retriever, then this game is too hard for them.

I have no wish for it to be easier for people who cannot understand this concept.

+1

Anyone here do cyno? Yes, no?

Anyone who doesnt do it care to guess what the most popular ship is for lighting the beacon and moving multi-billion isk assets around the universe?

http://bit.ly/1gA8ioc !

Whilst I would agree with all of this, Eve biggest problem is getting new players to experience the best of Eve fairly early on.

I would wager most people who start Eve these days are well aware what the game is all about but getting from

Point A - New player in a NPC corp who has just been bored to tears by the NPE to

Point B - A Decent Corp where they can be taught the basics of the game and experience most of what PvE has otr offer to the rush and excrement of PvP without getting scammed, axowed ganked in 2 minutes or called a spai, noob etc is actually pretty damn difficult lol.

Yeah, turns out a non combat ship loses a fight to a combat ship.

I see no issue with that. No matter what their pricetags are.

Oh, and that's not unbalanced, by the way. In fact it would almost be the definition of good game balance, because their arbitrary pricetag does not determine the winner, but rather which pilot fits and flies better.

It's not the pve the pvp or at any rate I don't know why anyone would want less content...

the problem has two reasons.
1. Cinematic trailers which are a LIE. Many people watch this awesome action trailer see all the folks inside then Log in and .. shite.. excel mod wtf.
2. The UI is complicated and usually crap. I've bought my first pc in 1992 it had DOS\Norton Commander combo and even with all the commands there and sick violent games of that time without online wikis and guides I would have never managed to learn how to use the UI, learn about the game in depth and in general how the game works.
Even more, when you'll go to do some pvp you will need so many windows open in order to get max possible relevant information you barely got enough space to see your ship, the entire "clicky" part can be minimized in combat to overview and keyboard shortcuts Fx combos to activate modules.

I've tried to introduce people into eve and no one got past the tutorials or first 3 days, always the same > they watch the trailers... the read about all the amazing things you can do and then boom... excel in space.

Why is EVE not more popular?

1) Subscription. The cost structure which amounts to $150-$180 a year, per account, is a bit steep for many.

2) Time to train and meaningful loss. My sons-in-law like to buy a game for $40 at midnight on the day it is released, play it all night, then run round LOL shooting in the face all the people that actually slept and didn't start playing until 8AM. Within a couple week or a month, when the advantage of not sleeping has been replaced with getting shot in the face as often as you shoot others in the face, they need to move on to whatever the next new game is.

When I tell them about EVE and how you are expected to play for years (or even decades), with long-term development and goals, they have no interest.

3) The player base itself. Despite the long-term planning inherent in the game's design, there are still too many people that play it for "LoL, I shot you in the face".

4) Finding it "ain't all that". The mega fleet fights that are supposed to be awesome are really not much fun. For those of us that created a long-term plan, worked to build a tight-nit group of friends and put in the hours to be able to claim a solar system of our own, a cloaky camper parks himself in your kingdom 23.5x7, and there is nothing you can do about it. I spent years getting to this level of game play to put my flag in the ground... only to have it nullified by someone that logs in, presses cloak, and heads off to work??? Really?

the only thing the developers need to add are huge battles, they already tested it with the carrier event... they need to make it a given fact that randomly pirate NPC carriers spawn all over the galaxy, high low and nullsec, with this, new players will be able to see bigger fights right from the start and are able to join without much effort

the main reason most of the player come to eve is the big fights, however at the moment those are not accessible, incursions you need to be in a fleet and those fleets lock you out if you are new, nullsec not working either, because there are no big battles every day, at least not for a newb because they are unable to find or attend those

its way to difficult to find one when you are new, too many hurdles, joining corps, incursion channels etc. if you are new, you got no clue where to go, however if their would be frequent CONCORD Broadcasts to let everybody know where a pirate NPC carrier spawns, maybe even a carrier fleet from time to time, people would go there to kill it, you could have a big battle every hour in the game, without much programming done, good for the players to get into the game and have some action

thats all the people want, people want to see those 1000 ships on the grid