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This change needed to happen, PI in hisec had no risk v reward ration nothing at all and whether you like that or not this game does not work on that.

It is a welcome change and as the markets have already proved the price hike in PI items really offsets the taxes it just means that people doing PI in nullsec will get More profit for More risk same with lowsec.

So tell me really where is the problem here ?

You can't PVP in lowsec for long without ending up as -10. The way it's setup means in every fight one of the sides must either be -10 already or losing sec and so end up as -10. Unless you are a dedicated anti-pirate, but then you need -10s to hunt.


Being ganked by the owner is no different from being ganked by randoms at an NPC CO. Nobody goes to that much trouble for a hauler kill. And, because the POCO presumably belongs to a PVP corp, it'll get defended. And if blown up, probably replaced if the fight to defend it was fun enough. As bait, it's not all that expensive.

CCP is doing a very intelligent thing but not telling the whole truth, yet again. Incredibly enough, it was very deliberate of them to increase tax and especially base price of the PI items because of other reasons. Simply put, PI thus far was one of the many untapped isk sinks in the game. This was probably because they wanted to get the system rooted and unchangeable when they did force the issue of it being an isk sink. And they've done that extremely well; all T2, POS/Station Construction, POS Fuel, and many other destructible items depend on these items to function/be achieved. Simple enough, the Devs realized that the sink was too little after altering the isk faucets to such a high degree in recent expansions *cough* incursions *cough*.

They changed the "tax" in a subtle way, they "doubled" it while they made an increase in base price (stealthily) to offset current faucets. They didn't harp on the base price change because they understood it would upset those which do intend to use PI to help support other ventures, such as POS and T2 Construction costs, thus making their industries competitive. Instead they decided to look at those which use PI purely as a profit making industry to ship out and not consume. Because this would not highly effect those individuals as they would simply inflate the price to meet the new profit margins and continue on their merry way. SUCCESS for CCP, as they would create a much larger sink for the end user, and the sink would follow through to all the other destructible products which are created by the initial PI making them more expensive. ALSO SUCCESS. It's a domino effect which started at the beginning (Taxation and "base Prices"), inflates and thus helps curve the faucet of their other failed projects. SUCCESS FOR CCP

Though, on the other hand, CCP is very possibly going about this in the most irate manner possible. Instead of clogging up isk faucets like the dreaded 5 minute 10.5 Mil Vanguard Incursion, they instead choose to turn the other cheek and force a cascading inflation inducing isk sink. They've decided to give us all the candy we could ever want, but make it so buying anything worth playing with cost twice as much candy to have. But "Oh well," says CCP, "They'll just use one of our many broken means of making isk to get it all back," figuring in that all items which use T2 mods will simply be payed for by alliances and individuals with loads of incursion isk and mountains of rat loot....

CCP never fails to disappoint with their extremely shortsighted quick fix to everything which they've done wrong.

Thing is this is in fact high sec incursion tax because CONCORD needs lot of isk to pay for sansha incursions.

Yet Another LIE out of CCP.

You CLAIM you're trying to work on player trust issues, then you pull THIS?


Proof positive that CCP has NOT learned what player trust means.


The blog SPECIFIED that the taxes would double. What is so hard to understand about ballpark 100 TIMES the tax rate not being what you CLAIMED you were doing?

I'm very happy I was already working to get rid of all my PI alts. This change as far as I am concerned makes PI a totally worthless time sink, it was ALREADY marginal on profitability compared to even MINING, now it's far below MINING as a profit-making activity.


I pity the poor folks trying to keep their POS running when the PI materials pricing goes through the ROOF due to yet another NOT THOUGHT OUT change to SCREW THE PLAYERS on CCP's part.

This is fairly short sighted. You're really missing the key gripes that have been discussed ad vomitum. I would comment on the mistake being less of a trust issue and more of a simple communication issue or oversight. The players would find out anyway if it was purposeful to hide the fact that taxes would go up.

But if you'd like to be part of the discussion too, I'd strongly encourage you to go back through the other 100+ pages of comments that have already been put forth on what to do about the situation.

I know it's been less than a week ...BUT. I just checked the 40 low systems in Black Rise and there is a grand total of 2 PCO's. I then checked the closest low system to my home high sec system and there was one PCO around, you guessed it, the PLASMA planet and it was in reinforced.

Please tell me this is a Joke?

This is the kind of instability that I was thinking would drive a lot of people from low sec either into high sec or out of the PI market entirely. There will be people around that will want to make this work, but there will be a large portion of the population that will shoot these things simply because they can . It's not been a big deal all over yet because of the sparse population in some areas. It's simply the nature of the population in low sec that makes these kinds of defenseless structures targets. Defending all of the POCOs, repping all of the POCOs, replacing all of the POCOs in even one region I believe will be more than the current low-sec population will tolerate.

This was the mechanic that I was suggesting get looked at so that the impending supply shock doesn't kill the economy

So basically Hi Sec will do fine after the market recovers, Lo Sec is screwed due to no way to defend pco properlly, Null sec will survive but with larger alliances able to support pcos screwing the smaller alliances.

How does this balance or improve anything?

Yes, of course. milandinia's clearly an established pvper. Useful data. But in this context, I meant it as a little half-jest: "what hisec carebear is going to trust you".




One thing that's not clear to me yet is how much information the POCO gets about their customers, how that information will be handled within the corp, whether bored corp members might use that to go "Oh, that's FreddyBear; he's going to the CO at Planet X, let's go gank him for giggles". I don't think that'll happen a lot, but what will matter is whether FreddyBear thinks it does. If that information isn't available, then no change.

But regardless, I think you slightly misinterpret my remarks. I wasn't arguing that all -- or even any -- would be why this will fail. I was saying that if none of those factors derail it, it might succeed.

So if you want to earn money from your POCO taxes, don't gank your customers - consider protecting them instead. Protect your POCOs, with firepower and diplomacy.

I'm pretty sure the fight to defend it would be a lot more fun than the fight to take it down. :) Personally, I don't expect a lot of that, though. But I'd say it's an open question whether anyone BUT a corp with a strong PvP contingent can keep one up for long.