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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#341 - 2014-05-12 16:52:33 UTC
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)

If you want to buy, you get married...er...bring the corp into your alliance/coalition.

Now, there are rumors of a 'middle ground', mistresses and such that you keep on retainer for your needs alone with a steady stream of fancy baubles...but they are expensive and hard to manage the terms on. Do-able, but fraught with peril when expectations get out of alignment. So I hear.

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Would you like to know more?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#342 - 2014-05-12 16:55:07 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)

o0o steamy.

you sick ****

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#343 - 2014-05-12 16:58:01 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)

or to show up at the door with another client thinking that would be quite alright to do both at the same time....
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#344 - 2014-05-12 17:26:46 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re
How much to have Aleks for a night ? Thanks. Question

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#345 - 2014-05-12 18:18:54 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)
or to show up at the door with another client thinking that would be quite alright to do both at the same time....
Except of course the fact that it's perfectly fine for a merc to have multiple contracts up at the same time. Killing war targets didn't mean they couldn't kill goons and vice versa. In fact, by killing the competition, they can kill more goons.

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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#346 - 2014-05-12 18:44:51 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Oshia Launay wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)
or to show up at the door with another client thinking that would be quite alright to do both at the same time....
Except of course the fact that it's perfectly fine for a merc to have multiple contracts up at the same time. Killing war targets didn't mean they couldn't kill goons and vice versa. In fact, by killing the competition, they can kill more goons.

If we want to keep running with this sexy metaphor, the clients might even prefer it.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#347 - 2014-05-12 20:03:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Oshia Launay
Lucas Kell wrote:
Oshia Launay wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)
or to show up at the door with another client thinking that would be quite alright to do both at the same time....
Except of course the fact that it's perfectly fine for a merc to have multiple contracts up at the same time. Killing war targets didn't mean they couldn't kill goons and vice versa. In fact, by killing the competition, they can kill more goons.

Expect of course when the contracts are conflicting with one another and the Mercs end up shooting their client in the face (1) but let's keep pretending it's quite alright and business as normal because common sense wasn't mentioned in the 'contract' (2), and also "Grr Goblin".

(1) I do not mean Gevlon Goblin's character or the real player himself was literally shot in the face. I was speaking figuratively ... ah never mind.

(2) Apparently nothing that was redacted properly and formally agreed upon, just a fuzzy exchange in chat, which makes all the mindless-mercs-following-contract-to-the-letter line of defense quite laughable in the first place.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#348 - 2014-05-12 20:36:14 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Oshia Launay wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)
or to show up at the door with another client thinking that would be quite alright to do both at the same time....
Except of course the fact that it's perfectly fine for a merc to have multiple contracts up at the same time. Killing war targets didn't mean they couldn't kill goons and vice versa. In fact, by killing the competition, they can kill more goons.
Expect of course when the contracts are conflicting with one another and the Mercs end up shooting their client in the face (1) but let's keep pretending it's quite alright and business as normal because common sense wasn't mentioned on in the 'contract' (2), and also "Grr Goblin".

(1) I do not mean Gevlon Goblin's character or the real player himself was literally shot in the face. I was speaking figuratively ... ah never mind.

(2) Apparently nothing that was redacted properly and formally agreed upon, just a fuzzy exchange in chat, which makes all the mindless-mercs-following-contract-to-the-letter line of defense quite laughable in the first place.
1. An alt of him was killed. I've killed myself before because my alt was in a conflicting side of a battle. If Gevlon wanted his alt to specifically not be hit, he should have arranged that with Noir, as is the SOP in this situation.

2. The contract was a standard bounty contract, there was no other clause. They could have killed everyone in Jita and still been abiding by their contract. They could have ganked freighters themselves and still been abiding by their contract. Again, if he wanted specific behaviour, he should have contracted for that specific behaviour. He didn't, he paid them to kill/jam goons, which they did.

The whole of Gevlon's argument is that he implicitly wanted Noir to be on "his side", yet explicitly hired them for a bounty contract. That's not how it works, you don't arrange one contract, then expect something completely different, something I imagine would be a damn sight more more expensive than it was. Especially since he would be paying them to not shoot a direct competitor.

And now it really just boils down to him not paying because he's upset that he was too dumb to ask for what he wanted (surprise surprise). I doubt very much that Noir will be particularly damaged by a non-paying client, even if Tora wants to keep smacktalking in their thread about them being killed by it (while he runs Marmite where it's generous to say they even scrape the bottom of the barrel when it come to mercs). All I know is that I'm shaking in my boots about what method of torture he's goign to come up with next! He's just such a tactical mastermind...

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Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#349 - 2014-05-12 21:45:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
If Gevlon wanted his alt to specifically not be hit, he should have arranged that with Noir, as is the SOP in this situation.

Nonsense. Had Gevlon known Noir will actively work against a client (*) unless specified otherwise, he simply should not have hired them. There are mercs who don't need to be told "thou shalt not shoot thy client in the nether region" (§).

(*) Not merely shooting him out of the sky (repeatedly), but you know that already
(§) Still figuratively speaking, I am not claiming Noir literally shot Goblin in the nether region.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#350 - 2014-05-12 22:23:58 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
If Gevlon wanted his alt to specifically not be hit, he should have arranged that with Noir, as is the SOP in this situation.

Nonsense. Had Gevlon known Noir will actively work against a client (*) unless specified otherwise, he simply should not have hired them. There are mercs who don't need to be told "thou shalt not shoot thy client in the nether region" (§).

(*) Not merely shooting him out of the sky (repeatedly), but you know that already
(§) Still figuratively speaking, I am not claiming Noir literally shot Goblin in the nether region.

Again: alt.

As in not his main. Also as in no way to know it's him unless he tells you with a character you know is him.

Welcome to EVE.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#351 - 2014-05-12 23:08:48 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
If Gevlon wanted his alt to specifically not be hit, he should have arranged that with Noir, as is the SOP in this situation.

Nonsense. Had Gevlon known Noir will actively work against a client (*) unless specified otherwise, he simply should not have hired them. There are mercs who don't need to be told "thou shalt not shoot thy client in the nether region" (§).

(*) Not merely shooting him out of the sky (repeatedly), but you know that already
(§) Still figuratively speaking, I am not claiming Noir literally shot Goblin in the nether region.
Bull. Even though they might say it now, theres no mercs that would take a bounty contract, then just not shoot any other targets at the same time, and there's definitely no way they'd let a competing merc corp operate alongside them unless explicitly hired to do so. What are you smoking?

this was a bounty contract, nothing more, nothing less. He did not hire them to support his agenda, he hired them to kill/jam goons, which they did, no matter how much he cries about it now. I get it though, you have an insatiable urge to stand up for your little pal because he hates all the evil goonies, so in your mind, hiring Noir meant they not only were supposed to kill for their bounties, but they were supposed to go all out against the CFC on a full crusade alongside Gevlon. I'm certain you must know however that's not how it works. They do what you hire them for, end of.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#352 - 2014-05-13 05:48:05 UTC
I know everyone here has made up his/her mind even before posting and nothing anyone says will change anyones opinion but
look, it's quite simple:

No mercs I've worked with would even consider doublecrossing his clients like Noir clearly did here.
the client is always right and shouldn't hire a team of internet spaceship lawyers first before hiring mercs.
Especially since Mister Goblin was a repeat customer, he should have been treated with respect.
He clearly was not.

Also, after all those so-called misunderstandings, attacking a repeat custommer? Really mature guys Roll

I know, people don't like mister goblin, and it could be perceived as a cool prank to scam him like that, that's your prerogative.
It's quite unlikely Alek will mess with other clients like he did here.
But a blemish on your otherwise spotless reputation it is.

My advice: Be the bigger man and fix it.

D.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#353 - 2014-05-13 07:07:22 UTC
Danalee wrote:
I know everyone here has made up his/her mind even before posting and nothing anyone says will change anyones opinion but
look, it's quite simple:

No mercs I've worked with would even consider doublecrossing his clients like Noir clearly did here.
the client is always right and shouldn't hire a team of internet spaceship lawyers first before hiring mercs.
Especially since Mister Goblin was a repeat customer, he should have been treated with respect.
He clearly was not.

Also, after all those so-called misunderstandings, attacking a repeat custommer? Really mature guys Roll

I know, people don't like mister goblin, and it could be perceived as a cool prank to scam him like that, that's your prerogative.
It's quite unlikely Alek will mess with other clients like he did here.
But a blemish on your otherwise spotless reputation it is.

My advice: Be the bigger man and fix it.
First off, he wasn;t double crossed. Not only could they do multiple contracts, they did do multiple contracts, and while all attempts to stop Burn Jita are futile, Noir at least managed to cause a little bit of hassle.

Secondly, no, the client is not always right. In this instance, Noir were contracted for bounties on goons, did in fact kill many of them (which is what was agreed, NOT ecming them), Gevlon even agreed that they did kill pods which he should have paid, but he didn't. He's refusing to pay because he was expecting Noir to be on his side. That's not what he hired them for, he hired them to get bounties, nothing more.

And finally, no, he does;t need a team of lawyers. But what he does need is to specify what it is he wants. Realistically, what Gevlon wanted wasn't a bounty contract, he wanted to hire Noir to work with Marmite and lemmings. The thing is, he didn't ask for that. Considering he publicly severed all ties with Lemmings/Marmite, he has absolutely no right to expect that. He thought him chucking a few billion around was going to make people go "ooh look at all the money" and do whatever he wanted whenever he wants it. What he didn't realise is that he's pretty much a peasant with a delusional sense of grandeur.

At the end of the day though, he made a mistake, then he refused to pay and did his usual "throw attacks around" blog posts. the end result is that he's pretty much burned his chances of working with any of the relevant merc groups.

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Solecist Project
#354 - 2014-05-13 08:59:46 UTC
This case is indeed remarkable.

Gevlon, who I don't know at all or care about, (luckily, I guess...)
seems to have an Aura of Fail surrounding him.

Quite hilarious. XD

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#355 - 2014-05-13 10:20:51 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)
Only difference here is, she was helping your mate next door too, in the time you both paid here Blink But I do like the words you used to describe Noir +1

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#356 - 2014-05-13 10:58:52 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
+1. Hiring mercs is renting, not buying. Kind of like hiring a wh0re, who will service your needs as agreed upon. However, you cannot expect the wh0re to not service other clients inbetween your rendevous, or for that matter 5 minutes beforehand showing up at your door (or 5 minutes after..)
Only difference here is, she was helping your mate next door too, in the time you both paid here Blink But I do like the words you used to describe Noir +1
lol, it's nothing like that at all. You are comparing a situation where doing both at the same time would be bad to a situation where doing both at the same time is common practice (something you admit to be doing right now too). Of course if you make a bad comparison you could say anything you want, but that won't make it fact.

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Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
#357 - 2014-05-13 12:48:15 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Oshia Launay wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
If Gevlon wanted his alt to specifically not be hit, he should have arranged that with Noir, as is the SOP in this situation.

Nonsense. Had Gevlon known Noir will actively work against a client (*) unless specified otherwise, he simply should not have hired them. There are mercs who don't need to be told "thou shalt not shoot thy client in the nether region" (§).

(*) Not merely shooting him out of the sky (repeatedly), but you know that already
(§) Still figuratively speaking, I am not claiming Noir literally shot Goblin in the nether region.
Bull. Even though they might say it now, theres no mercs that would take a bounty contract, then just not shoot any other targets at the same time,

Mischaracterization much ?

Quote:
this was a bounty contract, nothing more, nothing less. He did not hire them to support his agenda, he hired them to kill/jam goons, which they did, no matter how much he cries about it now. I get it though, you have an insatiable urge to stand up for your little pal because he hates all the evil goonies, so in your mind, hiring Noir meant they not only were supposed to kill for their bounties, but they were supposed to go all out against the CFC on a full crusade alongside Gevlon. I'm certain you must know however that's not how it works. They do what you hire them for, end of.

Gevlon Goblin is not my "pal", we've never interacted in any way, and I couldn't care less about goons. I have this insatiable urge to stand up against double talk, hypocrisy and more generally dishonesty. My motivation for posting on the forums is not relevant however. Like the mischaracterization above, attacking my motivation is just a dishonest diversion.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#358 - 2014-05-13 13:36:35 UTC
Oshia Launay wrote:

I have this insatiable urge to stand up against double talk, hypocrisy and more generally dishonesty.


Then you're on the wrong side. Gobbo tried to scam Noir, got caught, and you for whatever reason can't see through the smokescreen smear campaign he's got going with his rodent minions.

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Joseph Soprano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#359 - 2014-05-13 13:39:05 UTC
Loved the drunken podcast with the goon. A bit much on the butthurt though.
I suppose being drunk helps when you hire Noir.

PS. You forgot to mention the 20billion bounty on your titanic
Joseph Soprano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#360 - 2014-05-13 13:42:45 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Oshia Launay wrote:

I have this insatiable urge to stand up against double talk, hypocrisy and more generally dishonesty.


Then you're on the wrong side. Gobbo tried to scam Noir, got caught, and you for whatever reason can't see through the smokescreen smear campaign he's got going with his rodent minions.


Just how did he scam Noir. He has even put up 20 billion for their titan as a gesture of goodwill towards Noir.