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[Gecko's] ONLY 1 DAY LEFT!! HERE'S WHERE WE STAND!
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Dave Stark
#121 - 2014-05-12 16:24:33 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Is it really worth peoples bother now that we know they're going to be heavily nerfed in Kronos? Originally many were very excited about the Geckos, but now it's just a resounding 'meh'.

you mean aside from the fact that they aren't getting nerfed....


Because CCP is already using the post Kronos numbers on the Gecko right?

bingo.

Exactly, they're not getting a nerf if they are staying the same...

yeah... that's exactly what i said.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#122 - 2014-05-12 16:28:13 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
yeah... that's exactly what i said.

Yep, and still people are arguing that its a nerf... Sometimes I don't understand peoples logic...

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2014-05-12 16:36:59 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
yeah... that's exactly what i said.

Yep, and still people are arguing that its a nerf... Sometimes I don't understand peoples logic...

it simple: peoples logic is more complex that "2 * 2 = 4".... Unless you have the same level you will never understand.

You know: it's like in first school classes you learn that x*x = -1 has no results.... And when somebody tells you that actually x has some value it looks like nonsense. Few years pass and you get the truth.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#124 - 2014-05-12 17:11:01 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
yeah... that's exactly what i said.

Yep, and still people are arguing that its a nerf... Sometimes I don't understand peoples logic...

it simple: peoples logic is more complex that "2 * 2 = 4".... Unless you have the same level you will never understand.

You know: it's like in first school classes you learn that x*x = -1 has no results.... And when somebody tells you that actually x has some value it looks like nonsense. Few years pass and you get the truth.

Yeah but when something is straight forward and simple. The logic is 2 + 2 = 4. Yeah you can manipulate 2 to be any number you want, but when that number is definitely 2, well, it's as simple as that.

CCP have already told us that the Gecko has Kronos stats (2). So when Kronos is release those stats remain the same (it stays as 2). So if it is staying the same as before, it isn't a nerf. People can argue that all they want, but at the end of the day, something that is unchanged is exactly that.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2014-05-12 17:31:45 UTC
Wait....this thread is now morphing to a discussion of philisophical mathematics?

....I did not see that coming. Well played.
Tonai Kion
Physics Says No
Brotherhood of Spacers
#126 - 2014-05-12 17:35:05 UTC
ITT: Geckos not being nerfed, all other drones being buffed. Drone skills being nerfed,
Cagot
Zendian Solutions
#127 - 2014-05-12 18:36:05 UTC
While nobody expects anybody to sacrifice isk for the sake of Geckos (or at least nobody should), if someone were planning anyway to tear a new hole in their blue half-donut, today would be a good day for it!
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2014-05-12 19:16:37 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Wait....this thread is now morphing to a discussion of philisophical mathematics?

....I did not see that coming. Well played.


Suddenly René Descartes, philosopher, mathematician and writer.
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#129 - 2014-05-12 20:06:48 UTC
Going back to Geckos, I don't think that NPC bounty category will give us anything anymore - unless if US timezone goes nuts with ratting. Likewise PvP category would need a titan bridge/jump misclick to get sufficient boost.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2014-05-12 20:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravasta Helugo
How much time do we have left? Is it over in three hours, or in one day and three hours?

Thanks.
Dave Stark
#131 - 2014-05-12 21:07:17 UTC
Ravasta Helugo wrote:
How much time do we have left? Is it over in three hours, or in one day and three hours?

Thanks.


it's over at downtime, if i'm not mistaken.
Beofryn Sedorak
#132 - 2014-05-12 21:34:51 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Ravasta Helugo wrote:
How much time do we have left? Is it over in three hours, or in one day and three hours?

Thanks.


it's over at downtime, if i'm not mistaken.


Downtime is the deadline so ~13 hours left.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#133 - 2014-05-12 21:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Medalyn Isis
The NPC bounties claimed and isk destroyed seem to have been widely optimistic. I can't see us reaching those two targets.

I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

My theory, (puts on tinfoil hat), CFC instructed its members too not lose ships or rat this week, in order that everyone would not be gifted free Geckos. Geckos would be given out on an equal basis to those in null and high, and as null has the majority of the wealth in the game, giving geckos freely would diminish the advantage that null sec overlords have over the high sec peons slightly.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#134 - 2014-05-12 21:56:28 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

That's one big sense of entitlement you've got in that statement.

They aren't ours at all. They were set up to be earned and if the marks aren't reached, then they aren't earned and paid out. They don't belong to us until then, so CCP is not withholding anything.

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But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

Do you have a reference for the targets being set on the basis of average levels?

Unless I missed it (quite possible as I've been a bit absent over the last week), we don't know how the limits were set. They may be based on average levels, but thy could just as easily have a different basis.
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#135 - 2014-05-12 22:04:44 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
The NPC bounties claimed and isk destroyed seem to have been widely optimistic. I can't see us reaching those two targets.

I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

My theory, (puts on tinfoil hat), CFC instructed its members too not lose ships or rat this week, in order that everyone would not be gifted free Geckos. Geckos would be given out on an equal basis to those in null and high, and as null has the majority of the wealth in the game, giving geckos freely would diminish the advantage that null sec overlords have over the high sec peons slightly.

Thing is, if they took the figures from time period right after release of previous expansion which probably boosted numbers somewhat... and maybe around time of the B-R5RB, then some of the figures are bound to be inflated compared to this time when we are approaching new expansion and numbers are dipping. Mining and science/industry related figures would appear to be more consistent and have least fluctuation. Add to that the mothers' day and the failure to reach all goals is explained without any need for tinfoil.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#136 - 2014-05-12 22:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Medalyn Isis
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

That's one big sense of entitlement you've got in that statement.

Lol, did you believe I was being serious in that sentence. hehe. The fact that the next sentence begun with "but seriously" should have indicated that the previous sentence was in jest.
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#137 - 2014-05-12 22:36:24 UTC
Anna Karhunen wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
The NPC bounties claimed and isk destroyed seem to have been widely optimistic. I can't see us reaching those two targets.

I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

My theory, (puts on tinfoil hat), CFC instructed its members too not lose ships or rat this week, in order that everyone would not be gifted free Geckos. Geckos would be given out on an equal basis to those in null and high, and as null has the majority of the wealth in the game, giving geckos freely would diminish the advantage that null sec overlords have over the high sec peons slightly.

Thing is, if they took the figures from time period right after release of previous expansion which probably boosted numbers somewhat... and maybe around time of the B-R5RB, then some of the figures are bound to be inflated compared to this time when we are approaching new expansion and numbers are dipping. Mining and science/industry related figures would appear to be more consistent and have least fluctuation. Add to that the mothers' day and the failure to reach all goals is explained without any need for tinfoil.

Why would they take the numbers from just after an expansion hits though. Also the battle of B-R5RB was a once in a aeon event, so I am sure that they wouldn't have expected it to happen again such a short time after the last.

I am sure CCP would have set the targets which they believed could be met, and The fact that the targets are so far off indicates either CCP was widely optimistic, or there is something else at work.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2014-05-12 22:41:29 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
The NPC bounties claimed and isk destroyed seem to have been widely optimistic. I can't see us reaching those two targets.

I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

My theory, (puts on tinfoil hat), CFC instructed its members too not lose ships or rat this week, in order that everyone would not be gifted free Geckos. Geckos would be given out on an equal basis to those in null and high, and as null has the majority of the wealth in the game, giving geckos freely would diminish the advantage that null sec overlords have over the high sec peons slightly.



All was needed was a pair of titans ambushed and destroyed. Inf act the last few weeks have been ABSURDLY calm on that front. THe goal was supposed to be easy.. but peopel were not even remotely as barbarish as they usually are.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2014-05-12 23:27:17 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
The NPC bounties claimed and isk destroyed seem to have been widely optimistic. I can't see us reaching those two targets.

I call this a con trick, CCP knew we would never be able to reach those levels, and now will withhold from us 4 of our little gecko friends.

But seriously, surely CCP would have metrics on average levels for these measures. I wonder why we have fallen so far below on two of them. NPC bounties I would have thought would be pretty consistent.

My theory, (puts on tinfoil hat), CFC instructed its members too not lose ships or rat this week, in order that everyone would not be gifted free Geckos. Geckos would be given out on an equal basis to those in null and high, and as null has the majority of the wealth in the game, giving geckos freely would diminish the advantage that null sec overlords have over the high sec peons slightly.



All was needed was a pair of titans ambushed and destroyed. Inf act the last few weeks have been ABSURDLY calm on that front. THe goal was supposed to be easy.. but peopel were not even remotely as barbarish as they usually are.

To be fair the last few years had skewed numbers. Asakai, 6-VDT, and B-R, and two of those were screw ups. so vWhat?v

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#140 - 2014-05-13 00:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
Perhaps these people who proclaim to be PVPers should actually do some ******* PVP.

Clearly they don't do as much damage to miners as they like to think.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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