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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#121 - 2014-05-11 18:36:46 UTC
So I hear getting a toon into the minerbumping chat channel is considered a "spy alt" now days.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#122 - 2014-05-11 18:38:45 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
So I hear getting a toon into the minerbumping chat channel is considered a "spy alt" now days.

Everybody in the minerbumping channel is a spy P

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2014-05-11 19:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet
masters:

Quote:
If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet!


So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#124 - 2014-05-11 19:19:04 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet
masters:

Quote:
If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet!


So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing.


So much this

The volumes of rage that spew forth simply because someone did the equivalent of putting a quarter into the Player Two slot of a Street Fighter II machine and proceding to beat player one black and blue, and then for PLayer One to scream in Player Two's ear;

"I will **** your mother for this!!!!!!111! YOU SICK FREAK!!!1!!!! ITS A ONE PLAYER GAEM!!!"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2014-05-11 19:53:54 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet
masters:

Quote:
If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet!

some would argue they already don't have anything to put in their blogs.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2014-05-11 20:31:57 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet
masters:

Quote:
If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet!

some would argue they already don't have anything to put in their blogs.


Someone feels the blog is worth 350bil isk. I bet they think that because its funny. I know I do.

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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#127 - 2014-05-11 23:01:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Desimus Maximus
Popping ships for fun isn't less cool. It's probably the realization of the hit to their own personal wallets that is making it less cool. It's simply a boring ISK sink. First, it's rarely a financial benefit to the ganker(s). The cost of enough firepower isn't worth a single Strip Miner or MLU. Second, indy players have a lot to say about the price of most items on the market.

It's like owning your own gold mine, but killing off your own employee miners and enjoying it until you finally wonder where the hell all this gold is that you are supposed to have. PvPers making their own habit more and more expensive is just... well typical logic of mindless idiots.

But it's for the tears. This is more valuable a commodity than ISK to some. But even then, if it's worth $15 a month to extract tears then go for it because you are never going to PLEX an account as a highsec miner-ganker.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2014-05-11 23:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
More miners means cheaper mats for my indy man to make ships with. But new order promote a good market for ships.

So logically I need both to be flourishing :D


Though whilst I have no issues with New Order at all in principle, it adds some flavor to otherwise boring systems and is a good talking point ... the individuals it attracts seem to mainly be arrogant supercilious prats :D
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#129 - 2014-05-12 00:15:16 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
But even then, if it's worth $15 a month to extract tears then go for it because you are never going to PLEX an account as a highsec miner-ganker.

I pay the $15 a month because the game is worth the money.

Never in my life would I sacrifice my free time to grind ISK just to pay for another month of mindless ISK grinding. That's probably why I never enjoyed other MMOs where the grind is the main part of the game. But it seams some people enjoy it when they can torture themselves in their free time.
Baronvonchickenpants
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2014-05-12 00:31:07 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Alternative Splicing wrote:
You can't really blame people for going for the low hanging fruit.


No ability to move quickly

No tank

No active defense

Does not believe in natural predators

Very specific diet (miners)

Cannot adapt


sounds Iike the ganker in his cataIyst.
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#131 - 2014-05-12 00:57:04 UTC
Alyth Nerun wrote:
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:

In today's climate, ganking is as old as Eve itself I'm sure and some things never change, and never will. I am however pretty convinced that after witnessing many attacks on miners that you so graciously "ENJOY" the aftermath of a kill in Hisec. I am sure your killboard reflects that as well. I am convinced sir that as far as you are concerned you go to bed at night with absolutely no remorse for your actions, sure it's just a game mind you but sometimes ingame attitudes gets taken back to reality and from there who knows.

When one such as you kill a mining ship and pod kill the miner, I am sure you are overjoyed to get very little out of the wrecks if anything at all save for implants and hard wiring. I am sure you are so overcome with joy when the miner raises the roof with you in local and that you just sit there at your computer laughing at the fool you are. I am sure you're fattening your wallet everytime you act in the matter to which you have publicly displayed.

The joy comes of course from the fact that I helped that miner become a better player and even better person by teaching him a vital lesson about the game and the CODE, which is of course the law in Highsec. You seam to forget that we are the good guys in Highsec, always ready to help the miners with leadership, order and our friendship.

We help to stabilize this vital part of the game from where almost all the resources for our ships come from. I think we can both agree that this important profession needs reliable and healthy pilots which follow the law and make us all proud to be citizens of Highsec.

When I look into my system and it's only populated with responsive and kind people all with their mining permits ready to prove their loyalties to James 315 and The New Order, then I know I am doing the right thing and make a difference.

You can make a difference too, all it needs is faith in the CODE and some SP in Gallente Destroyer



Your original quote is more correct than this drivel :)

Is it so hard to be true to yourself and actually say why you like ganking miners?
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#132 - 2014-05-12 00:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Arancar Australis
Boredom....what a wonderful thing Smile
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2014-05-12 02:56:23 UTC
Tar'z wrote:
What do you guys think?

One of my spy alts was in a CFC chat channel and I saw an interesting conversation between a few important-ish CFC members. They we're discussing a recent article on minerbumping.com and how funny it was, but also went on to comment on how "lame" and "old" griefing miners in high-sec is getting. They seemed amused still by the content created but seemed to have no interest in furthering their commitment in helping create it themselves.

One of the members made a comment that hit home. Loosely paraphrased he stated, "it just seems like the cool thing to do, and I have no interest grouping up with mindless sheep."

To me this makes sense. I've ganked a many dozen mining barges, freighters, orcas, marauders, but never under the motivation of simply trolling the person behind the keyboard. While I do not object to that in itself, I always wondered why miners got the brunt end of it while mission runners, haulers, PIers, manufacturers, and scores of other AFK income activities are largely ignored. IMO the most logical reason was given by the CFC members above.

Discuss!


Have no fear, I am trying my best to make those mission runners pay what they owe to keep running missions.

Saying that, blaping a miner never gets old. blaping a miner and citing the fact that he does not have a permit is even funnier as he explodes into a rage that is really crazy when you think about it. Keeping in mind I explode ships for isk, but if I can toss a bit of minerbumping lolz on it at the end its all in good fun.
Raine Marelwe
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2014-05-12 06:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Raine Marelwe
Miner trolling was never cool to anyone that wasn't a miner troll. If you're asking if that pool of individuals is shrinking, then I can't help you - but I doubt it.

Most everyone else recognizes the activity as a mere time sink, light on - if not utterly devoid of - a sense of long-term accomplishment. Hell, as a matter of little more than some simple accounting to maintain sustainability - at most - it's even light on short-term accomplishment. All you get is a (very) temporary emotional rise out of someone, which you could do much more efficiently merely by asking for a sandwich on any comment thread at Jezebel.

TL;DR - Miner trolls are the MIMAFer's of the griefing realm: They perpetually engage in an inefficient, watered-down version of their hobby because they're just too damned proud of themselves to see how tragically pathetic they are. This was never cool to anyone but them.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#135 - 2014-05-12 06:57:19 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Whereas the New Order might have been an interesting angle a while back, any time someone mentions them, I have an image of smeared mayonnaise...


It's great that we excite you but sharing your food fetish with us is a bit too much information.

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Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2014-05-12 21:03:24 UTC
Raine Marelwe wrote:
Miner trolling was never cool to anyone that wasn't a miner troll. If you're asking if that pool of individuals is shrinking, then I can't help you - but I doubt it.

Most everyone else recognizes the activity as a mere time sink, light on - if not utterly devoid of - a sense of long-term accomplishment. Hell, as a matter of little more than some simple accounting to maintain sustainability - at most - it's even light on short-term accomplishment. All you get is a (very) temporary emotional rise out of someone, which you could do much more efficiently merely by asking for a sandwich on any comment thread at Jezebel.

TL;DR - Miner trolls are the MIMAFer's of the griefing realm: They perpetually engage in an inefficient, watered-down version of their hobby because they're just too damned proud of themselves to see how tragically pathetic they are. This was never cool to anyone but them.


You forgot to say we are fat, sociopaths, who live in our mothers basement, eating Cheetos and drinking mountain dew. If your going to stereotype us you might as well go all the way.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#137 - 2014-05-12 21:09:15 UTC
Baronvonchickenpants wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Alternative Splicing wrote:
You can't really blame people for going for the low hanging fruit.


No ability to move quickly

No tank

No active defense

Does not believe in natural predators

Very specific diet (miners)

Cannot adapt


sounds Iike the ganker in his cataIyst.


Really?

Catalysts are fast

They have more tank that a Retriever by quite some amount

They often have active defense i.e. guns and active tanking modules

CONCORD are their natural predator

Their diet as is very well proved is miners, transports, freighters and often combat ships that try to stop them in belts

They adapted to using Tornadoes when the sensible good miners switched to Procs

So... tell me again how this sounds like a Ganker please?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2014-05-12 21:21:37 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Baronvonchickenpants wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Alternative Splicing wrote:
You can't really blame people for going for the low hanging fruit.


No ability to move quickly

No tank

No active defense

Does not believe in natural predators

Very specific diet (miners)

Cannot adapt


sounds Iike the ganker in his cataIyst.


Really?

Catalysts are fast

They have more tank that a Retriever by quite some amount

They often have active defense i.e. guns and active tanking modules

CONCORD are their natural predator

Their diet as is very well proved is miners, transports, freighters and often combat ships that try to stop them in belts

They adapted to using Tornadoes when the sensible good miners switched to Procs

So... tell me again how this sounds like a Ganker please?

Really
Catalyst doesn't need a speed. You warp, shoot and die.

They have about 3k EHP, retriever has about 9k (again: catalyst needs full damage and not tank)

Guns are not 'active defense' and no active tanks are present on ganking catalysts

CONCORD is not predator. It is just inevitable death. It happens at completely predictable moment and does what it is supposed to do.

Diet is very specific: untanked or low-defense ships mostly flying AFK and solo.

Switching to tornadoes moves us to another thread. Here we speak about ganking catalysts.

So again: all above describes gankers in catalysts wery well.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#139 - 2014-05-12 21:34:19 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

Really
Catalyst doesn't need a speed. You warp, shoot and die.

They have about 3k EHP, retriever has about 9k (again: catalyst needs full damage and not tank)

Guns are not 'active defense' and no active tanks are present on ganking catalysts

CONCORD is not predator. It is just inevitable death. It happens at completely predictable moment and does what it is supposed to do.

Diet is very specific: untanked or low-defense ships mostly flying AFK and solo.

Switching to tornadoes moves us to another thread. Here we speak about ganking catalysts.

So again: all above describes gankers in catalysts wery well.



Sorry dude, I entirely disagree with each of these points.

But I think we know each other well enough that arguing about this is pointless, quiaff?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#140 - 2014-07-21 20:22:16 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Ganking miners is not profitable. CCP specifically made it so with the barge buff a couple of years ago. So I'll give you the ultra-secret, only talked about in the upper echelons of the New Order cabal (where I have a spy alt), main concern of the puppet
masters:

Quote:
If the miners ever stop sperging in local and sending hilarious tear filled emails full of *WWII German* references and death threats, we won't have anything to put on the blog. Without the blog we won't get billions in donations for Catalysts. It will be like someone ganked OUR wallet!


So if the industrialists could please talk to their fellows in hisec, especially the ones with a Strong Entitlement Booster, to just go ahead and shut the hell up, the New Order will die and minerbumping.com will go dark. Then only an occasional *pop* will be heard in the cold of space when the infrequent hisec miner is killed for lolz. Then my brothers and I can go on to fail careers elsewhere in New Eden. I myself intend on retiring in a nice back water wormhole system some day. Maybe do a little fishing.

Wow grats...I never considered the N.O to be spy worthty?