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Dev Blog: Delivering The Industry New Eden Deserves!

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-05-12 19:30:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nice to see you decided to listen to me, and oh , I dunno, about 10,000 others, and do something wise.
Now, if you REALLY get your act together, you will deploy the 1st iteration on Sisi, and give us not 5 or 6 weeks, but more like 8-10 weeks to sort this out.

You gave us 5-6 weeks for Apochrypha, and that release was a drop in the bucket compared to the far-reaching implications this mess has.

Use your head, give us, and yourselves, the entire summer , to sort out everything, to test every lever, every nuance, where tiny changes will have huge impact. It will also stem the bleeding of subs, and you might actually recognize how much damage this will wreak on the game, and your company.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but nothing that you think should change, will.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-05-12 19:31:25 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nice to see you decided to listen to me, and oh , I dunno, about 10,000 others, and do something wise.
Now, if you REALLY get your act together, you will deploy the 1st iteration on Sisi, and give us not 5 or 6 weeks, but more like 8-10 weeks to sort this out.

You gave us 5-6 weeks for Apochrypha, and that release was a drop in the bucket compared to the far-reaching implications this mess has.

Use your head, give us, and yourselves, the entire summer , to sort out everything, to test every lever, every nuance, where tiny changes will have huge impact. It will also stem the bleeding of subs, and you might actually recognize how much damage this will wreak on the game, and your company.


Its not gonna take 8-10 weeks for you to figure out you're gonna get plowed by null-sec industrialists

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Dearthair
Goibhniu Industries
#63 - 2014-05-12 19:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dearthair
Well, the upside to this is that I have time to push more BPOs to 10/10. I agree that I would rather have a complete, functional, and balanced set of changes to industry. Industry is a system that many in the EVE community can comfortably ignore as long as it is working smoothly. The measure of a successful industry revamp is that anyone not involved with industry can still continue to ignore it in comfort.

Edit: I would assume that the Prospect is still on the list for Kronos?

NBLID (Not Blue Let It Die), the new motto for miners, manufacturers, and retailers everywhere.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-05-12 19:32:58 UTC
Whew. We needed a little more time to get some of the lube cooked up for the coming train.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#65 - 2014-05-12 19:33:05 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Batolemaeus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


We've waited a decade for an industry interface that isn't horrible. Another 6 weeks won't kill us.


I am, quite frankly, shocked that we agree for once.


Also it gives me another 6 weeks to skill up before starting to learn how industry really works!


Ah, so you have made your mind up, and you are staying.


yeah all the lovely mails I got, I'd need a heart of stone to resist those

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
The Legends In The Game
#66 - 2014-05-12 19:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidyk
Does it also mean that everything visual, audio and graphical industry related stuff will be moved to 22 July as well ?
Rittel
Band of Valence
#67 - 2014-05-12 19:34:53 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Rittel wrote:
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
We understand the disappointment, but ultimately we believe this is for the long term health of the game. Material changes, together with compression arrays (and other related changes) will still be included in the Crius release.
Crius? or do you mean Kronos?
The Crius release in July that follows the Kronos release in June.


We've waited a decade for an industry interface that isn't horrible. Another 6 weeks won't kill us.



Its not the waiting its the wording.

The implication in the sentence was that the mineral changes, compression arrays etc are staying put in the Kronos expansion but then it states Crius.

I've probably just confused myself but I wanted to check
MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#68 - 2014-05-12 19:36:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Also it gives me another 6 weeks to skill up before starting to learn how industry really works!
Ah, so you have made your mind up, and you are staying.
yeah all the lovely mails I got, I'd need a heart of stone to resist those

So what's the impediment to leaving? Big smile
(I keed, I keed...)

MDD
Batolemaeus
Mahlstrom
Northern Associates.
#69 - 2014-05-12 19:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Batolemaeus
Malcanis wrote:
Batolemaeus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


We've waited a decade for an industry interface that isn't horrible. Another 6 weeks won't kill us.


I am, quite frankly, shocked that we agree for once.


Also it gives me another 6 weeks to skill up before starting to learn how industry really works!


Is this where I'm supposed to try and recruit you to work in the mines...with the minions...with the miners to earn your first few freighterholds of trit before I show you how basic industry works? Everyone who is new to industry has to go through this rite of passage and pay tribute to his masters. I could use a few servants apprentices.
Sven Viko VIkolander
In space we are briefly free
#70 - 2014-05-12 19:39:21 UTC
Any word on what's going to be done with offline POSes in high sec (if anything) come Crius?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#71 - 2014-05-12 19:39:35 UTC
In Kronos:
The barge rebalance.
The Prospect.

In Crius:
The Ore changes.
The Compression changes

(I asked and was told I could share)

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#72 - 2014-05-12 19:40:56 UTC
Good by me. I was getting worried that you weren't going to release the data and changes on sisi in time to test third party tools. Can you give an estimate for when we can expect this? I would really like to get an updated version of iph up when the patch goes live and sisi testing will be key to that.

Thanks

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CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#73 - 2014-05-12 19:41:57 UTC
Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:
Any word on what's going to be done with offline POSes in high sec (if anything) come Crius?


We are still looking at this but no decision just yet.

CCP Nullarbor // Senior Engineer // Team Game of Drones
CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#74 - 2014-05-12 19:43:24 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Good by me. I was getting worried that you weren't going to release the data and changes on sisi in time to test third party tools. Can you give an estimate for when we can expect this? I would really like to get an updated version of iph up when the patch goes live and sisi testing will be key to that.

Thanks


The plan is to push the changes to SiSi around June 10 with APIs, giving people around 5 weeks to help test and update their tools.

CCP Nullarbor // Senior Engineer // Team Game of Drones
MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#75 - 2014-05-12 19:43:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
mynnna wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
I hoped we would get more things and faster. But apparently you took this frequent release mode so you can slack. I just realized that EVE development will be slower actually.

Disapointed


Without the new release period, this stuff would either push half baked, or push in winter.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal..


Zloco is perhaps indelicately pointing out that more frequent releases may dull the sense of urgency, which may then cause the rate of changes being released to slow. I don't know if this is a valid concern (I'm not enough of an industrial psychologist to offer a reputable opinion). I don't expect CCP to comment on that aspect, partly because they may not know, and mostly because honestly it isn't really our (the player's) business. I do, however, think it is in bounds to raise the issue with the CSM members so that they can remain vigilant to the possibility ("dulling the sense of urgency").

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

MDD
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#76 - 2014-05-12 19:47:51 UTC
One of the best decisions I've seen.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate
#77 - 2014-05-12 19:49:31 UTC
Rittel wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Rittel wrote:
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
We understand the disappointment, but ultimately we believe this is for the long term health of the game. Material changes, together with compression arrays (and other related changes) will still be included in the Crius release.
Crius? or do you mean Kronos?
The Crius release in July that follows the Kronos release in June.


We've waited a decade for an industry interface that isn't horrible. Another 6 weeks won't kill us.



Its not the waiting its the wording.

The implication in the sentence was that the mineral changes, compression arrays etc are staying put in the Kronos expansion but then it states Crius.

I've probably just confused myself but I wanted to check


How is it the wording? The industry stuff, all of it and anything related to it like POS changes, reprocessing yields and isotope consumption, are pushed back. All of it. It's all related. Except for those things that are clearly unrelated.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-05-12 19:49:33 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Whew. We needed a little more time to get some of the lube cooked up for the coming train.

I guess that's the reason CCP decided to call it the Cryus -release.
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate
#79 - 2014-05-12 19:51:56 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nice to see you decided to listen to me, and oh , I dunno, about 10,000 others, and do something wise.
Now, if you REALLY get your act together, you will deploy the 1st iteration on Sisi, and give us not 5 or 6 weeks, but more like 8-10 weeks to sort this out.

You gave us 5-6 weeks for Apochrypha, and that release was a drop in the bucket compared to the far-reaching implications this mess has.

Use your head, give us, and yourselves, the entire summer , to sort out everything, to test every lever, every nuance, where tiny changes will have huge impact. It will also stem the bleeding of subs, and you might actually recognize how much damage this will wreak on the game, and your company.


You'll have plenty of time to test on SiSi, but you will never be able to test the most meaningful aspect of what is going to make it or break it for you: what the plethora of other players do in reaction to it. You can test game mechanics all day long, but so much of the indy revamp is related to player choices. You just won't be able to test that on SiSi.
Gamer4liff
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2014-05-12 19:56:25 UTC
I have waited years for an industry focused expansion. One more month is nothing. Good time to lay groundwork for plans too...

A comprehensive proposal for balancing T2 Production: here