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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2541 - 2014-05-12 13:41:57 UTC
Let us all stop getting ahead of ourselves and take a step back.

You can make your final observations better when you set foot into the changed ships and fly with them when they hit SiSi near you.

Dreaming and wishful thinking only get's us so far.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2542 - 2014-05-12 14:07:11 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

realistically you would have a flight of heavies, a flight of sentries and then a bunch of lights with a flight od salvagers if you want. You dont need any more for pve.

In pvp you would have the same but I would replace the salvagers with a flight of light armour drones.


Realistically, why heavies?
Having 3 sentry types so you dont have to shuffle around drones before every mission in addition to resists seems more likely.
(I mean on top of a flight of lights, just in case and salvagers)


Close range work.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2543 - 2014-05-12 14:08:45 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ulviirstin wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Finally we get to the battleships!
RATTLESNAKE
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225)


Sir!
I would like to say what most of rattle-flying capsuleers being shy to admit.
The question is not in dps balance or will the new two sentry damage as old five ones.
Heretofore just RATTLE (and GILA) gives the opportunity to those players who live in the Empire to fly on "little-wonnabe-carrier".
Nerfing dronbay and reducing the number of drones you make those ships into banal cruiser and battleship as if you have just deleted them.

I beg Your pardon, but this is not rebalance, it's deletion from the game a possibility for a considerable class players.


You get more drone flights in the rattle than any other battleships aside from the dedicated droneboats.


Define "dedicated droneboat".


Ships like the domi.

The rattle is a mix of missiles and drones.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2544 - 2014-05-12 14:38:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You get more drone flights in the rattle than any other battleships aside from the dedicated droneboats.


Define "dedicated droneboat".


Ships like the domi.

The rattle is a mix of missiles and drones.


You do realize that that makes only 3 ships (1 bs, the domi) fit that definition, with others left that have a big drone bay?
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2545 - 2014-05-12 14:43:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

realistically you would have a flight of heavies, a flight of sentries and then a bunch of lights with a flight od salvagers if you want. You dont need any more for pve.

In pvp you would have the same but I would replace the salvagers with a flight of light armour drones.


Realistically, why heavies?
Having 3 sentry types so you dont have to shuffle around drones before every mission in addition to resists seems more likely.
(I mean on top of a flight of lights, just in case and salvagers)


Close range work.


Seems unlikely , please elaborate the use cases.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2546 - 2014-05-12 15:06:18 UTC
Damsel in a new rattler would be where I'd use them.

Potentially more now with geckos due to their speed and longevity.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2547 - 2014-05-12 15:47:09 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:


Seems unlikely , please elaborate the use cases.


When stuff gets under the sentries, aka, close to you.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2548 - 2014-05-12 15:48:54 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You get more drone flights in the rattle than any other battleships aside from the dedicated droneboats.


Define "dedicated droneboat".


Ships like the domi.

The rattle is a mix of missiles and drones.


You do realize that that makes only 3 ships (1 bs, the domi) fit that definition, with others left that have a big drone bay?


You forgot the geddon.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2549 - 2014-05-12 17:34:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You get more drone flights in the rattle than any other battleships aside from the dedicated droneboats.


Define "dedicated droneboat".


Ships like the domi.

The rattle is a mix of missiles and drones.


You do realize that that makes only 3 ships (1 bs, the domi) fit that definition, with others left that have a big drone bay?


You forgot the geddon.


Geddon is a mix of drones and nos, it does not fit your definition, or better said, if geddon is a dedicated drone boat, then the rattler is too.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2550 - 2014-05-12 18:15:53 UTC
Screw the Rattlesnake - Baghrest for the win! (200% missile velocity and 8.75 effective launchers with all damage types). 148m/sec velocity with 6 lows, so this will be the perfect PvE torpedo boat!

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#2551 - 2014-05-12 18:17:07 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:


Geddon is a mix of drones and nos, it does not fit your definition, or better said, if geddon is a dedicated drone boat, then the rattler is too.

Geddon has no weapon damage bonus, and is therefore a Dedicated drone boat.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2552 - 2014-05-12 18:27:00 UTC
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:


Geddon is a mix of drones and nos, it does not fit your definition, or better said, if geddon is a dedicated drone boat, then the rattler is too.

Geddon has no weapon damage bonus, and is therefore a Dedicated drone boat.


Neither have industrials or electronic attack ships, does that make them dedicated [null] boats?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2553 - 2014-05-12 18:43:09 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:


Geddon is a mix of drones and nos, it does not fit your definition, or better said, if geddon is a dedicated drone boat, then the rattler is too.


Remind us what the damage bonus is for the geddon.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2554 - 2014-05-12 18:44:05 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Screw the Rattlesnake - Baghrest for the win! (200% missile velocity and 8.75 effective launchers with all damage types). 148m/sec velocity with 6 lows, so this will be the perfect PvE torpedo boat!


Pfff, you think so smallTwisted
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2555 - 2014-05-12 18:58:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:


Geddon is a mix of drones and nos, it does not fit your definition, or better said, if geddon is a dedicated drone boat, then the rattler is too.


Remind us what the damage bonus is for the geddon.



It has the same bonus as the rattler (more or less), the other bonus is nos range like the rattlers will be missile damage. If you want to restrict it to a damage bonus, fine, but think of the CNR, it has no missile damage bonus.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2556 - 2014-05-12 18:58:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pfff, you think so smallTwisted

I like to low-ball my expectations... Lol

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2557 - 2014-05-12 19:08:41 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:


Geddon is a mix of drones and nos, it does not fit your definition, or better said, if geddon is a dedicated drone boat, then the rattler is too.


Remind us what the damage bonus is for the geddon.



It has the same bonus as the rattler (more or less), the other bonus is nos range like the rattlers will be missile damage. If you want to restrict it to a damage bonus, fine, but think of the CNR, it has no missile damage bonus.


It has two bonuses to its missiles, one for projection and one for application.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2558 - 2014-05-12 19:12:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:


Geddon is a mix of drones and nos, it does not fit your definition, or better said, if geddon is a dedicated drone boat, then the rattler is too.


Remind us what the damage bonus is for the geddon.



It has the same bonus as the rattler (more or less), the other bonus is nos range like the rattlers will be missile damage. If you want to restrict it to a damage bonus, fine, but think of the CNR, it has no missile damage bonus.


It has two bonuses to its missiles, one for projection and one for application.


Neither of those is damage.
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
New Eden Corporation 98713347
Brotherhood of Spacers
#2559 - 2014-05-12 19:14:38 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Barton Breau wrote:


Geddon is a mix of drones and nos, it does not fit your definition, or better said, if geddon is a dedicated drone boat, then the rattler is too.


Remind us what the damage bonus is for the geddon.



It has the same bonus as the rattler (more or less), the other bonus is nos range like the rattlers will be missile damage. If you want to restrict it to a damage bonus, fine, but think of the CNR, it has no missile damage bonus.


It has two bonuses to its missiles, one for projection and one for application.


Neither of those is damage.

On paper they arent. But they are in practice.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2560 - 2014-05-12 19:16:29 UTC
Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote:

On paper they arent. But they are in practice.


Like a nos bonus slowing a ship down by disabling ab/mwd and preventing it from using active defenses?