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Could someone explain this to me?
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Blacktide Bakersmith
Caliburn Ghast
#1 - 2014-05-12 16:29:00 UTC
I'm a new player. Went an joined a corp that seemed like it was new player friendly. Someone went and declared war on the corp. So, I went and started reading about wars, and how they work, how long they last, and what I found is extremely puzzling.

Essentially, a corp, or in this case a single player who starts a corp, says to concord, I'm declaring war on all these corps. Stand aside. And concord says... Ok, we'll bill you in a week.

Seriously? How does this make any sense at all? The whole idea is ludicrous. But lets set aside being able to bribe Concord. I'm new, I don't really know their history, maybe they're a corruptible organization, that takes payments to look the other way. But they're not getting the cash up front? And then, after a week, if they don't get paid, they say, oh well, wars over. No harm no foul. WTH? Wouldn't the lack of payment somehow be a bit insulting to these corruptible cops. We look the other way, and you give us nothing?

Wouldn't this make more sense, if the corp had to pay up front in order to declare war. Then, after a week, theres a balloon payment in order to continue the war? And then, once a war ends, not permitting a war between the 2 parties, for say a week or 2.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-05-12 16:30:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Welcome to EVE, a PVP game.

Last time I checked you have to pay to start a war and then again to continue it.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-05-12 16:35:20 UTC
the war's paid in advance.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#4 - 2014-05-12 16:38:15 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

Last time I checked you have to pay to start a war and then again to continue it.

This

it's 50 mil (or whatever) per week, payable in advance.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-12 16:38:19 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
the war's paid in advance.


/thread

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#6 - 2014-05-12 16:38:37 UTC
What the above said.

Also;

Plenty of law enforcement agencies throughout space and time accept financial agreements to look the other way

Furthermore; Wardecs are simple to survive and avoid

Further-furthermore; If you would like to know more, please contact me.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
hellcane
Never Back Down
#7 - 2014-05-12 16:39:17 UTC
Wars are paid in advance, your corp will be given notice.

Concord are the police for illegal acts of aggression. A war is no illegal. Just like shooting someone flagged as a criminal is not illegal, and won't bring concord.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-12 16:39:34 UTC
No, they get paid up front, and then they get paid weekly.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2014-05-12 16:49:03 UTC
Welcome to Eve, where other players are content.

As above, wars are paid for in advance.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Blacktide Bakersmith
Caliburn Ghast
#10 - 2014-05-12 16:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Blacktide Bakersmith
I appreciate the responses. I went back to the page I got the information from, reread it, and discovered, somehow I had missed a critical section.

Quote:

How much does a wardec cost?

It costs 50 million isk, plus an additional cost for each member in the target corporation/alliance above 51. It will now start to increase with the 51st member and reach the ceiling of 500 million ISK at 2000 members.

The war declaration fee must be in the Master Wallet of the corp wallet.

I just started a war, what now?

After declaration, the war will go active 24 hours later. Wars will last 1 week unless either surrender is agreed upon, or if the war is extended by paying the fee for the next week of war. If the war bill is not paid, the war will end 24 hours after its due date.


Thank you for correcting my mistake. Obviously if the corp is paying a fee upfront for the war, then my objection is incorrect. I'm not really worried about the war. I'm paying attention, and I've made enough I can replace my venture.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2014-05-12 16:50:15 UTC
I thought you said you read up on it?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#12 - 2014-05-12 16:57:13 UTC
Blacktide Bakersmith wrote:

I'm paying attention, and I've made enough I can replace my venture.


Then I salute you

Please let me know how it goes.

If you survive, lose very little, and dont spend all your time docked then I will send your CEO isk to provide you with a medal for it.

If you kill some WTs, Ill throw in a Ramona Bonus Prize

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-05-12 17:10:45 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Blacktide Bakersmith wrote:

I'm paying attention, and I've made enough I can replace my venture.


Then I salute you

Please let me know how it goes.

If you survive, lose very little, and dont spend all your time docked then I will send your CEO isk to provide you with a medal for it.

If you kill some WTs, Ill throw in a Ramona Bonus Prize


This is the problem with being the CEO (or at least the alt of the CEO). I never get any medals. I've killed some war targets. But never a Ramona Bonus Prize either. I am still working on Feyd's Dildo award though. I have a shot at that.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#14 - 2014-05-12 17:24:32 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:


This is the problem with being the CEO (or at least the alt of the CEO). I never get any medals. I've killed some war targets. But never a Ramona Bonus Prize either. I am still working on Feyd's Dildo award though. I have a shot at that.


Dude, you already got a Ramona Bonus Prize, by complete accident.

You want to have heard that person on TS when she saw what was on your bio.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2014-05-12 17:25:12 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
.... But never a Ramona Bonus Prize either ......
What makes you think a Ramona bonus prize is a good thing? Pirate


In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-12 17:27:20 UTC
Wars as they stand now are pretty pointless. It is nothing but a bribe to Concord to look the other way. I have played both sides of high sec wars and it isn't fun as the attacker or defender. I am not suggesting that wars should be removed from the game, but I would like them to be reworked in a way to encourage more fleet warfare and less gorilla hit and run tactics.

If you want to be safe from wars in high sec, create a private chat channel for all your friends, and then all drop to an NPC corp. NPC corps cannot be war dec'ed. I hope this helps.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#17 - 2014-05-12 17:31:55 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
gorilla hit and run tactics.
.


http://bit.ly/1oJ2cad

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dave Stark
#18 - 2014-05-12 17:34:46 UTC
Blacktide Bakersmith wrote:
I'm paying attention, and I've made enough I can replace my venture.

i imagine that's true since it's a free ship...
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#19 - 2014-05-12 17:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Galen Darksmith
You are not Joe Blow off the street in this game. You are an immortal kilometer-long living starship with enough potential firepower to glass cities. As far as CONCORD is concerned, you can take care of yourself. The main reason they police hisec is to keep indiscriminate capsuleer carnage from erupting and disrupting normal traffic. Wardecs allow the violence to take place under certain guidelines, between limited numbers of capsuleers, while lining CONCORDs wallet with ISK that can be used to repair any damage incurred. Hell, CONCORD is probably glad to see capsuleers blowing each other up, keeps us from trying to figure out how to overthrow them.

In other words suck it up, buttercup. Adapt or die, you're not the first person in this scenario, there's plenty of solutions out there only a google search away.

Edit: just saw your response, good man. If your main point of concern was that you thought the wardecs were free, then rest assured. Good to see that you're settling in and getting ready to make it work. the New Player forums are a good place to ask any newbie PvP advice you need.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Blacktide Bakersmith
Caliburn Ghast
#20 - 2014-05-12 17:56:15 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Blacktide Bakersmith wrote:

I'm paying attention, and I've made enough I can replace my venture.


Then I salute you

Please let me know how it goes.

If you survive, lose very little, and dont spend all your time docked then I will send your CEO isk to provide you with a medal for it.

If you kill some WTs, Ill throw in a Ramona Bonus Prize


The current war is against a single player corp. They're flying a Proteus, a tech 3 cruiser. At my current skill level, with my current ships and equipment, I'd be lucky to chip the paint on that thing. That said, I won't be spending any more of my time docked then normal. Since its a single player corp, I just added him to my watchlist, and if he pops up, I'll immediately change systems, to one more out of the way, so I can more easily see if he shows up on local.
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