EVE General Discussion

hahaha a puppet controlled with farts

but yeah missions and mining are absolutely terrible and new players are herded straight into these shitfests, solo. even factional warfare plexing is ninety percent staring at a progress bar ticking down and ccp don't show any sign of wanting to address that

That has always bugged me about Eve from the time I first started playing. Its "ZOMG!! PVP all THE time BITCHES!!!" oh and here is your PVE fit ship for the missions.

I won't deny improving the PvE experience wouldn't help the game be more videly liked, but you have to keep the larger picture in mind. The nature of EVE will always mean it's not going to be the top dog. It's not casual friendly, you play a spaceship and the gameplay style in general isn't popular.

Not casual friendly:

You can play EVE casually, but it doesn't mainly cater to them and they're the large mass. They want easy access to content, to play their way without unwanted interference from others and don't like to suffer meaningful setbacks. Access to EVE content can be hard. It's not clear what is available or where you find it. Even when you do it an be likely to cause you setbacks or require long skilling to start doing.

You play as a ship:

People want to create their own unique and cool looking avatar and play with it. EVE has common looking meaningless human avatars. You play the ships. Ships with limited, inconvenient and expensive customization options. This probably isn't a huge issue with EVE players, since if it was, they wouldn't be playing in the first place. It's a bigger problem for potential customers and even existing ones exhibit strong desires toward avatar gameplay or more powerful and convenient customization tools for their avatar or ships.

Gameplay:

Spreadsheets-online, double clicking movement, poor visibility for the action offered(shooting crosses/boxes), action is slow paced and the game does the action for you(You command your ship. You don't pilot/aim/shoot/dodge). These are not all bad things, but they're not popular nor sell the game well to the masses. The gameplay offered inspires people, but they don't want to deal with the reality of making it all possible. They're like kids who saw a war movie and think how cool and exciting it's to be a soldier, but most of them would be very put off by the reality of what being a soldier is and what is involved in getting huge armies to fight each other. They just want to feel like the hero for a moment before reality intrudes upon them again.

Making a change where shooting the crosses is more challenging and rewarding isn't going to be a major shift in the game for anyone not already playing it and even some who are aren't going to value your that change, because EVE is primarily about the players and the crosses are there just to keep their wallet on the positive. Again I don't think it would be a bad thing, but I wanted to put it in perspective. It can even be seen as a negative by some, since development resources are limited and the focus of the game is not fighting NPCs. There are a lot of games that focus on that and EVE will always be the lesser choice for people who want to primarily play against NPCs.

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Churchill III FTW

Hm. You know that this was already done, right? The mission/incursion AI is by design less aggressive than sleepers, but it allows them to switch targets seemingly at random.

I'll read Jester's article later, but don't go harping on ccp to do things that have already been done. That said, I would like to see improvements in pve content, especially in low/null sec.

Any interactive media that becomes popular will become terrible in short order, as it becomes populated with the frothing, semi-literate scrubs that make up the general population of this fine planet.

The internet itself is a very good example of this.

I'm not bitter at all.

Its not difficult to see why so many people leave Eve after a short amount of time.

It is in part down to CCP and in part down to the community.

So your looking for a new game to play and see ad after ad for Eve, they are all about big fights involving hundreds and thousands of players and you think.. yeah that looks cool.

So you download Eve, log in and then you are faced that is the sheer tedium that is the NPE. Mine this, kill x npc, deliver this, kill more x npc.

Woot

Your thinking... "When and were do I get to shoot somebody"

So you finish the NPC and start to look for a corp.. good luck lol

You start on the forums but give up after a few minutes as most of the corps have a requirement list as long as well endowed horses penis.

You open the in game recruitment channel and again most corps will want you to be able to fly x,y and z, and have a minimum of x sp points.

On top of this you will most likely be accused of being a spai or axower or somebody will try and scam you, and that before all the trolling.

You check out the in game corp recruitment which is well awful. Again most corps will have a minimum sp requirement and will require you to fly z,x and z ship and those who will accept new people will be instantly suspicious that you are a spy or ready to awox them.

Lets not even talk about how most corps in Eve are utterly terrible. Full of alts of people who rarely log in and when they do they do not talk to anybody.

If you try and go out and find some PvP your self you will be torn to pieces every time and unless you are very lucky and the person who does kill you actually talks to you and gives you some advice and doesn't just shout noob in local then you will never succeed.

Short of actually putting new people straight into a environment like Eve Uni or RvB I'm surprised as many new players stay as long as they do.

Yes that would explain the 25mil+ daily players who play League of Legends on their smart phones.... wait a minute

It actually explains that fairly well, given what a complete toilet that game is.

If that's what EVE has to become to get "mainstream" appeal, I say no thank you.