Wormholes

Maybe if you'd done a podcast about it...

Literally just proved my previous post. People don't educate themselves and are ******* dumb.

Anyone who wish to properly educate themselves can look up info or if you are a lazy **** I'll even come to your TS and explain it to ya. But yeah.

Uh... Explain what to me, exactly? And who precisely are you suggesting is '******* lazy and ******* dumb' btw?

Anytime someone says that csm doesnt matter or that their vote doesnt count they are being ignorant or lazy about educating themselves on the subject. I dont know if its Because I get to talk to csm more often then the usual player but they do matter and every vote matters in the STV system especially. Im not saying your dudes arent smart but they might not be educated on the subject if they think that and if you a CEO take the time to educate them.

Honestly post with your main.

Second I dont need to know NDA stuff I do hear a lot of "we helped them with project A and project B"(literally project A and B) and they had bad idea and "we warned them about doing something something" also have you ever visited the features and ideas forum CSM always post there and everythong on there went through CSM and they are there for the community to comment on. So when you say CCP isnt talking to the player base you are way off. Even the recent kill API thing went to the community and I assure you that CSM talked about it. And like I mentioned on some previous thread I support that change and I am sure CSM did aswell. So you are completely wrong.

After seeing this and reading Rhavas and jester blog i think we can conclude that not vote or not putting ALL the wormhole candidates ontop is virtualy the same as following the vote of the big voterblocks (null sec mostly in this case).
I can understand that not all candidates are to your liking or you even deam to be good enough.
But not putting all of them in the top of your voting ballot just cost us 1 representative at least.
The facts now are that we won't have a w-space representative on ground in both CSM summits.
Saying that is not important is ignorant . Think of all the things they did put ontop of CCP's list to make.
Not only that as in most things with votes, the one with the most representative and the most vocal supporters then to get more then the others. Why? Because there issues comes up more!

CSM communication might be bether but then again, the NDA holds them back most of the time i geuss(correct me if i am wrong).
Maybe we could have used a c1-c4 profiled w-space representative, but none ever comes out of the woodworks.

Having 2 representatives makes it less likely that a bad change slips through.
It also makes it easier on these guys that put their time in it for us all(by the way did we thank our past representatives?).
Also remember while the feature and idea's discussion is here it is only the stuff that CCP is willing to release from nda!
The CSM is a way they can ask things to their userbase while still being under NDA.

And lets face it on these forums if a CSM member says that they mentioned it to CCP will not be enough for many bittervets on here who just like to rip every one a new one.

And that while we have a lot of thing in the pipeline that will affect us! Like the T3 revamp, the api thingy, the scanner thingy, POS,alliance bookmarks,more content , more reasons to fight,... .

Actually, my position is the easiest one to take: uncertainty; it also happens to harmonize with my cynical side.

It's hard to forget CCP's scandals. As recent as the Golden Ammo and Monoclegate, we know upper management is thinking solely about profits, regardless of how it affects the game. Maybe they've changed? Or maybe they're just being more careful now? But their thoughts are certainly not about making the game the best it can be. Maybe they're not satisfied being a niche game anymore? Who knows.

The ones further from the management decisions tend to care the most about the game. Unfortunately, they tend to be the faces connected to upper management's bad decisions, and thus receive the majority of the vitriol as a result of those bad decisions. For example, CCP Support staff is some of the best, friendliest, and most efficient support staff from any company, application provider, game producer, or whatever. There are undoubtedly many fine men and women in other areas within CCP as well, but anyone who has worked in the software industry (or most any industry) knows, management constraints force you to cut corners, or you may be out looking for a new job while they replace you with someone "more efficient."

I do agree that we do at least have the CSM, even if the bulk of it is composed of CCP choir boys who echo CCP's null-centric point of view above all else. It is my fervent wish that CCP integrate the CSM into more and more of its design decisions, though the cynic in me again wonders how many are just in it for the free trip to Iceland to visit the home of their favourite game? And how many are in it for the meta game? What better meta game is there than to hold CCP's ear and then push for minor tweaks that seem innocuous by themselves, but when compared in an obscure way with something else slightly dodgy could throw things out of whack? Remember, EVE and CCP encourage this kind of behaviour.

So while we do have more rhetoric from CCP that they are increasingly integrating the CSM and are often trumpeting their collaborative efforts, the cynic in me is glad that they're telling me things are so great because I might not realize it if they didn't tell me.


I do wish CCP devs were interested in playing in and living in Wormhole space, to enjoy the thrill of the hunt, not knowing whether the target you are stalking already knows you're there and is preparing a counter ambush or not. To know the only resources you have are what you take with you, not the 10,000 of your closest friends who are but a jump bridge away. To wake up each new day and see a different part of the EVE universe, and then figure out how to blow it up. Then they would know why we love where we live so much.

It just doesn't grab the headlines like, "2000-person battle in FU-WHATEVER system results in the largest real world monetary loss in a video game in history".