Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Disagree. This will lead to mission farmers running Level 4s for big gain in just Assault Frigates.

I quite like the idea of being able to mission with a pvp fit.
With that in mind i'd be more inclined to hit hostile space to look at missions as opposed to just look for a fight and be bored finding empty space.

You are clearly mistaken on some things but let me enlighten you.

Almost all pve activites can be done with pvp fitted ships. It is just up to you how to pilot your boat to do it and not get killed.
You should also be aware of what you are fighting against, which means that not one pvp boat can do all pve activites.

There are many third party sites where you can learn all that is to know about killing NPC's and what they might do to you.
Your task is then to figure out, which ship is appropiate to fly at that task.

One example is that all HAC's are very capable of doing that, yes not only Ishtars.

So far I didn't have to fit any of mine any different from how I would hit them for pvp.

This may hurt someone feelings about thier primal instinct of collecting something, mostly some sort of currency to make them 'feel' better or superior but in return every pve activity suddenly becomes a challenge, some smaller, some bigger ones.

There is no need to make the world 'work' in some direction, people need to change.

I see your point, Though cap stability is something i seldom aim for much less achieve, i made the mistake of going lasers first, whoops.

Redesign all combat missions to be more reflecting of PvP combat. If the NPCs are good enough, it'd be solid, genuine practice for actual PvP, and a lot of people (except for the AFK farmers I realize) would be much happier.

Allied npcs could apply tackle. Or they could have you run tackle for an npc gang. Its always seemed derpy to me that your essentially a solo mercnary for the missioms and they never provide any support whatsoever. Heck they could even have missions that ask you to rush to the aid of an important bs or maybe cap. You can choose how to accomplish the mission yourself. Come in and kill off the tacklers. Come in and kill off the dps and tacklers. Or come in with a logi and boost up the VIP until other npcs/players arrive.

Why are you trying to make two parts of the game into one?

PvE is not PvP nor is it always the gateway to it. Some people just want the zen-like peace of running their missions. Not being forced to train for the 'next step' just stay on the plateau that they are on.

Not me mind you, I do a bit of both and am too damn lazy to be constantly switching fits so I run suboptimal on both counts.

Maybe there could be some missions that lead to PvP fitting, maybe even a new set of missions in the tutorial that show more of what is needed. But there is no need to force an entire segment of the game to fight the 'right way' because for them, it isn't.

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I actually think that NPCs in general should be redone to fight closer to the way players do. Instead of having one player battleship able to take on 30-50 NPC ships at the same time, why not make the missions more realistic? More realistic would mean you would need fits closer to PvP fits to make them work.

it would really require a complete redesign of all pve content from the ground up. And even when you were done, the best fits would still probably be pve optimized. I'm not sure if this is even on CCPs roadmap. They have talked alot about re-engineering their content authoring tools, but to take the plunge and try to change PVE entirely, I'm not sure it really needs to be a priority.

Some people don't want to PVP? Some people don't want to leave High sec?

Besides, why should they to begin with? There's nothing out there that can't be found in High sec. Players outside High sec are mostly too lazy to do something that really distinguishes their sec level from High sec.