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Lucas give it a rest, no one here is dumb enough to fool for your master's propaganda .

lol, how is it propaganda?
TBH, I don't care. Go on thinking they are going to increase in value forever regardless. When they inevitably drop, which CCP explicitly stated in the industry panel (go check) you'll be the ones crying on here how you're entitled to refunds because you paid way over the odds for you BPOs that take 20 years to turn a profit on.

Go watch the videos. Go speak to the devs. Going forward, invention is being iterated, and T2 BPOs will be phased out. You can put your fingers in your ears and say"lalala Lucas is a liar" as much as you want, but it would take you no time at all go watch the industry panel and you'll see they state in there that T2 BPOs have been a problem for a long time they've needed to do something about, that they will do something about it, that they will decrease in value, and that the won't take them away without warning, but will transition them out.

The thing is, this is not new news, this is just the first time they've explicitly stated it. Anyone that thinks that T2 BPOs will continue their upwards spiral of value forever without ever being changed is delusional. Remember, that value is what you guys have placed on it, and nothing to do with it's market value. You can't expect their functional value not to change considering the industry methods they are using avoid their use.

lol, if that's the way you want to view it, that's fine, but that's a bit of a "hear what I want to hear" approach. Fozzie states that ME would make them better (which is true, but without putting your BPO in a POS, the overall production value change is down, due to differences in time for production). Greyscale reiterated what has been stated for year, which is that T2 BPOs are not ideal. He also explicitly stated in no uncertain terms that their value will go down. He also stated that they wouldn't remove them without a warning, and spoke of a transition period. That all leads to the conclusion that at some point hey will either stop existing or become non functioning. We spoke to the devs following the panel too, and got the same impression there. At present it can take many years to make back the cost of a T2 BPO, so anyone buying one for profit is gambling on CCP not changing that for at least that length of time.

And no, they won't change it because of one whiner, which is why they won't compensate when they make changes because of that whiner. That doesn't mean that T2 BPOs will continue as is, and it certainly doesn't mean they'll value them at the insanely inflated values that you guys value them at. Like extra materials though, T2 BPOs restrict what changes they are able to make to invention mechanics. Since invention mechanics are here to stay and going forward will be iterated on, they will have to phase T2 BPOs out. They are certainly not going to keep working around them forever just to keep a handful of entitled owners happy.

Honestly, what you invest in I couldn't care less about. If you make a bad call because you'd rather bury your head than listen to what is actually being said, that's your problem. I'll make sure to bookmark this post so I can point you to it in the future though.

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And we roll right back round to why T2 BPO discussions always go off the track. Because the people who bought T2 BPOs automatically assume that everyone else must just be jealous. We all must just be peasants right? We simply can't afford that few billion to get into the T2 market? What are you smoking? You aren't in some exclusive club, you've just bought a few items, that's all. I don't sit around saying "Oh lord, I wish I could afford T2 BPOs". If I wanted them, I'd buy them, but they simply aren't worth the investment. It would just be sunk capital that takes years to become profitable.

And no, the reason for T2 BPO removal is that invention changes are restricted due to the existence of T2 BPOs. It was suggested to separate the two out so T2 BPOs and the invented BPCs don't affect each other, but CCP stated that they wouldn't work around the issue like that. Looking at it the other way, do you think that the fact that you guys paid inflated prices for the BPOs and didn't take into account devaluation is enough of a reason to not remove them?

By the way, I'm not here campaigning for their removal. I don't particularly care about how people want to produce their T2s, so the BPO vs invention argument is not something I care to be involved in (though the more I see you guys kicking and screaming about it, the more I look forward to the explosion of rage when they do make a change). But CCP have made it clear where they stand, and that is with invention which will be iterated. So by all means keep stamping your feet and telling me how jealy I must be, but that wont change what will inevitably come to pass.

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We'll see.
There were no plans to scrap WoD either, 2 days before they announced the scrapping of WoD. What CCP say to cut rumours can differ wildly from fact. And either way, it was stated that they will lose value and they will be doing something about them. Go nuts though and spend all your isk on them if you really want to buddy.

Hey look at that T2 BPOs are already getting a slight nerf, thanks Greyscale!

Actually, it's that they will decrease in value, with the inevitable aim of being removed from the production line. By the way, I think the nerf he is talking about is:

Heh, for now . It will mean the margins are likely to shrink however as the BPOs won't have such an aggressive lead. You're likely to need to rik them in a POS to make the most out of them. Considering they already take many years to turn profit, ones bought now may never do so.